Autoloaders - Page 2




 
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December 4th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
Maybe you can with the new ones. Does anyone know?
December 5th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
Reasons why I prefer human loader-

1- Human loader(if he is good), is usually faster.
2- Human loader helps with maintanance.
3- Human loader can replce other crewmen if killed or injured.
4- If the human loader is killed or injured he can be replaced by the gunner easily.
5- Human loader(in some tanks) can fire a top mounted MG.
6- In our tanks(Merkava) the loader fires and operates a 60mm mortar.
7- Human loader can help the tank commander with systems in the turret. Gunner can not because he is sitting down low in the turret.
8- Human loader can brew turkish coffee and auto loader can not.
December 5th, 2008  
Lunatik
 
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
8- Human loader can brew turkish coffee and auto loader can not.
Ahhahahaha! That's so true.



And it'll keep the crew awake and alert for 48 hours straight, lol.
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December 5th, 2008  
Rorke
 
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
I haven't served with any tank (yet) but yeah I know what you mean. If you have any piece of equipment, it'll need to be checked, repaired and cleaned several fold more than the amount of time you'll spend in it with th engines running.
Hmm... if there's only 3 people to maintain that thing, there really ought to be a support crew. Heck, it's practically a jet fighter that doesn't fly.
The russians just kick it and it works, sometimes.
December 9th, 2008  
Pale Rider
 
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Originally Posted by Lunatik
I also prefer the autoloader. But I read somewhere that Turkey is developing a new national tank (dubbed "Altay" project) based on the Korean XK-2, but WITHOUT the autoloader! They're actually receiving tech-transfer from Korea's ADD/Rotem. Anyway, is there an intelligent (maybe tactical?) reason to develop a 4-person crew tank while the original tank already has a very nice interrior design and autoloading mechanism?


Yes,

The U.S has researched a M1 series tank with a 4 man crew and auto loading mechanism. We will reach a point when we will not have a choice but to go with auto laoders due to increased gun caliber sizes.
December 9th, 2008  
Lunatik
 
 
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The U.S has researched a M1 series tank with a 4 man crew and auto loading mechanism.
So, what did the research find out?

BTW, I think Altay WILL have an autoloader, as XK-2 has one and the Turks won't be willing to experiment with a 4-person crew as that'll require them to change the original XK-2 design dramatically, which costs not only money but also more time. Turkey needs their first batch to roll out as soon as possible.

Personally, I'm expecting a relatively unchanged XK-2 base/engine but with a Merkava-like turret with indigenous electronics, Aselsan comms/FCS and sensors, ADD autoloader, Roketsan armor and a 120mm L44 smoothbore made by MKE. They'll have at least 2 prototypes for testing before serial production starts, supposedly around 2010.
December 9th, 2008  
Pale Rider
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunatik
So, what did the research find out?

BTW, I think Altay WILL have an autoloader, as XK-2 has one and the Turks won't be willing to experiment with a 4-person crew as that'll require them to change the original XK-2 design dramatically, which costs not only money but also more time. Turkey needs their first batch to roll out as soon as possible.

Personally, I'm expecting a relatively unchanged XK-2 base/engine but with a Merkava-like turret with indigenous electronics, Aselsan comms/FCS and sensors, ADD autoloader, Roketsan armor and a 120mm L44 smoothbore made by MKE. They'll have at least 2 prototypes for testing before serial production starts, supposedly around 2010.
That it can be done with a bustle loading system and still give you room for 3 crewman inside of the turret, this was also done with a dual caliber gun breech mechanism.