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Atheists in Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Stones
 
February 29th, 2012  
Padre
 
 
Atheists in Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Stones
Yes, those vicious bastard nuns didn't do you or Catholicism any favours. The hundreds of thousands of good, selfless, non-violent, dedicated, gentle, kind nuns working hard on little resources to give children a monetarily cheap but good education around the world and over the centuries don't count. They're all the same. They can all go to hell. 100 per cent of Catholic nuns are evil. It stands to reason If a bunch of a group are bad, the whole organisation is bad. If one Briton or African is bad, they're all bad. It stands to reason.


And yes, the UVF, UDF, Black & Tans, British Army, Ulster constabulary, and UK Government always and evrywhere in Northern Ireland acted peacefully and honourably - not like those vicious bastard Catholics.

Yes, Protestant clergy in Northern Ireland never encouraged or incited violence against different denominations - not like those vicious Catholic clergy.


Saint Ian Paisley pray for us.


And it's just catholic propaganda that the Catholic Church and individual Catholics helped Jews escape the Nazi's. There's no proof. That movie based on the life of Monsignor Hugh Flaherty played by Gregory peck is just fiction.


And the story about the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israeli Zolli, coverting to Catholicism because of the compassion he witnessed from Catholics in WW2, to the point that he took the new baptismal name of Eugenio in honour of Pope Pius XII (that bastard Nazi sympathiser) is all a false story made up by those vicious bastard Catholics.


And thank Darwin / Whatever, for peace-loving atheists and neo-pagans like Stalin, hitler, Pol Pot who never hurt anyone - not like all those religious fanatics in history, especially Catholics who have caused all wars, all human misery and global warming.


And thank Darwin / Whoever for BritinAfrica who has never hurt anyone in his/her life, nevr committed hypocricy or offence ever. All his/her family members, friends, partner(s), colleagues, will all testify that he/she has been perfect every day of his life towards every other human-being - not like those vicious bastard nuns.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Holocaust.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Zolli


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_O'Flaherty
February 29th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by Trooper1854
But there view may be said to be "How can you not have faith in the almighty?"
It's really easy. Firstly, "he's" not almighty, in fact there's not even any credible proof of his existence, let alone his "might". It's just a matter of not having faith in that which not only has no proof, but is simply not credible, even his followers can't agree most of what is written about him. If he was so mighty, one would think that surely he could arrange for his followers to get their ducks in a row. This type of faith is the faith that we see every day, doing such wonderful things as causing idiots to put their life savings into one armed bandits "knowing" that they are going to strike it big one day.

As said earlier, religious "Faith" is no more than the abandonment of reason.
February 29th, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
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Originally Posted by Padre
And yes, the UVF, UDF, Black & Tans, British Army, Ulster constabulary, and UK Government always and evrywhere in Northern Ireland acted peacefully and honourably - not like those vicious bastard Catholics.
Do you know why the British Army was sent to Northern Ireland in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Padre
Yes, Protestant clergy in Northern Ireland never encouraged or incited violence against different denominations - not like those vicious Catholic clergy.

Saint Ian Paisley pray for us.
Ian Paisley is as bad as Gerry Adams, and who is in the middle of their crap? British troops who didn't want to be there in the first place. All in the name of religion. I wouldn't know if the Protestant clergy incited violence or not, I wasn't there old chap. Were you?


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And it's just catholic propaganda that the Catholic Church and individual Catholics helped Jews escape the Nazi's. There's no proof. That movie based on the life of Monsignor Hugh Flaherty played by Gregory peck is just fiction.
Oh aye? Alois Hudal (also known as Luigi Hudal; born 31 May 1885 in Graz, Austro-Hungarian Empire; died 13 May 1963 in Rome, Italy) was a Rome-based bishop of Austrian descent. He was for thirty years head of the small Austrian-German congregation of Santa Maria dell'Anima in Rome and until 1937, an influential representative of the Austrian Church. In his 1937 book The Foundations of National Socialism Hudal praised Adolf Hitler and some of his policies and indirectly attacked the policies of the Vatican. After World War II, Hudal became infamous for the "ratline" he helped to establish, allowing prominent Nazi German and other European former Axis officers and political leaders, among them war criminals, to escape Allied trials and denazification.

Or is that propaganda or fiction in your eyes?

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Originally Posted by Padre
And the story about the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israeli Zolli, coverting to Catholicism because of the compassion he witnessed from Catholics in WW2, to the point that he took the new baptismal name of Eugenio in honour of Pope Pius XII (that bastard Nazi sympathiser) is all a false story made up by those vicious bastard Catholics.
So what? I don't give a toss if Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israeli Zolli was voted to become the next pope or the next Lord Mayor of London.

Pope Pius XII's (1876-1958) actions during the Holocaust remain controversial. For much of the war, he maintained a public front of indifference and remained silent while German atrocities were committed. He refused pleas for help on the grounds of neutrality, while making statements condemning injustices in general. Note the wording "He maintained a public front of indifference and remained silent while German atrocities were committed. He refused pleas for help on the grounds of neutrality."

In the closing days of the war, thousands of displaced persons were scattered throughout a war torn Europe. These people were uprooted, torn from their homes, and many had no families to go to because they were either dead, missing, or somewhere across the continent. Most were victims of Nazi aggression while others were attempting to escape the advancing Soviet armies of Joseph Stalin. Intermingled within the crowds of displaced persons were some of Europe’s most notorious war criminals, individuals who had the blood of millions on their hands. Just before the end of the war, the Holy See’s Secretariat of State conducted a lobbying campaign to provide spiritual and material assistance to the impoverished. The Vatican has "consistently claimed that they were unaware of the identity of those who were undeserving of their humanitarian assistance." Unfortunately, a number of high ranking priests not only knew who these wanted war criminals were, they actively sought these men out, gave them extra assistance and afforded them benefits that very few people received throughout the war years.


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Originally Posted by Padre
And thank Darwin / Whatever, for peace-loving atheists and neo-pagans like Stalin, hitler, Pol Pot who never hurt anyone - not like all those religious fanatics in history, especially Catholics who have caused all wars, all human misery and global warming.
So you are saying that all atheists are murdering bastards and are you saying that had Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot found God they would have been better men, peaceful, more humane? Well Alois Hudal found God and look what happened there. Years later it became public knowledge that war criminals like Klaus Barbie, Adolf Eichmann, Heinrich Mueller, Franz Stangl and a whole list of other war criminals escaped war torn Europe via the Catholic Church. Most of these men escaped through the work of one man, a Roman Catholic Bishop named Alois Hudal, Rector of the Pontificio Santa Maria dell’ Anima. "During the war Hudal served as Commissioner or the Episcopate for German speaking Catholics in Italy, as well as Father Confessor to Rome’s German community." Hudal harbored anti-Semitic feelings and his pro Nazi stance was well known throughout the Catholic community. During Hitler’s rule, Bishop Hudal often spoke about the unity between the Catholic Church and the Nazi government.

Opps, more propaganda or is it fiction?


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And thank Darwin / Whoever for BritinAfrica who has never hurt anyone in his/her life, nevr committed hypocricy or offence ever. All his/her family members, friends, partner(s), colleagues, will all testify that he/she has been perfect every day of his life towards every other human-being - not like those vicious bastard nuns.
So you now know how I lived my life. That's very clever of you Padre. You'll have a bit of a problem getting my family to testify to anything, unless you can dig them up and bring them back to life. Unlike many so called Christians I am not a hypocrite. There's an old saying "If the cap fits Padre, wear it mate."

I must confess I did run over a snake once, not on purpose I might add. I was thinking about giving him/her/it CPR, but I think he was a dangerous blighter so I didn't. Poor little hissing Sid didn't go home that night. Poor poor Sid

Can you deny what I wrote regarding the IRA and the Mafia is truth and can you deny that more wars have been fought over religion then any other reason?

I wrote my own experiences of the so called Christian catholic church, if you don't like what I wrote, that's your problem, not mine sunbeam.

Quite frankly (with respect of course), you can poke your sanctimonious bible bashing clap trap where the sun don't shine Padre.

Oh by the way, one of my great uncles was an officer in the Black and Tans. Nice chap.

Try reading these:-

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugo...lic_church.htm

http://archives.weirdload.com/gold.html

http://www.holocaustresearchproject....alcapture.html

Or would you regard the above links as propaganda or fiction?
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Atheists in Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Stones
February 29th, 2012  
Trooper1854
 
 
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Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Do you know why the British Army was sent to Northern Ireland in the first place?

Ian Paisley is as bad as Gerry Adams, and who is in the middle of their crap? British troops who didn't want to be there in the first place. All in the name of religion.

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The Army was deployed to Northern Army at the request of the Catholics, to protect them from sectarian violence.
The moment they got there, they found themselves being shot at and blown up by the very people they were meant to be protecting!

Brit, I'm with you all the way mate!
February 29th, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
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Originally Posted by Trooper1854
The Army was deployed to Northern Army at the request of the Catholics, to protect them from sectarian violence.
The moment they got there, they found themselves being shot at and blown up by the very people they were meant to be protecting!

Brit, I'm with you all the way mate!
Thanks Trooper.

Too many British troops have died in Northern Ireland, for what?
March 1st, 2012  
Padre
 
 
I go back to my main point which I would have thought any reasonable person would see, that whilst you can prove, and rightly criticise abusive members of an organisation, you canít say that because of the failings of some of those members that all members of that organisation are abusive, or corrupt, or hypocritical,l or bad, or evil, etc, etc.
Thatís all I want to get across to you.
You can prove and I agree some Catholics are bad, abusive, hypocritical, a disgrace, dangerous, etc, etcÖ Some were Nazi sympathisers and supporters, some acted shamefully and murderously in Northern Ireland.
But that doesnít mean all Catholics were/are bad, or corrupt, or abusive.
If we followed your logic, then because there were a few evil British soldiers in Northern Ireland all British soldiers were evil. But they werenít, most, probably 99%, were good brave men doing their best to enforce law and order. Some did commit war crimes but that doesnít mean all of them were bad.
Following your logic, because some British citizens were pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler, (Mosley) that means all British were pro-Nazi, anti-Jewish. You have this ďall tarred with the same brushĒ attitude. Fine, but it can be then applied to you and your kind.
I donít challenge your facts that some Catholics are bad, and that some were bad in history. I challenge your bigotry that ALL Catholics are bad.
Iíve given you examples of Catholics who behaved honourably and compassionately re Jewish persecution. But bigotry is blindness and deafness and you have it in great measure. But I understand why you are the way you are. You hate those and that which hurt you as a child. Iím sorry for that, but donít hate all Catholics, or all nuns.
You are a bigot, but it was certain Catholics who damaged you and turned you into a bigot. They are to blame I suppose for your current bigotry. Itís not your fault. But I hope you can open your mind and heart to the point I am trying to make.
I hope you can change and see that not all nuns and not all Catholics are like those who taught you or those you hate in Northern Ireland, and hate from WWII.
BTW, I am a Northern Irish Australian, son of a Belfast Catholic mother and a Larne Protestant father.
March 1st, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
Well I wasnt going to get involved but what the hell...

The difference here is that while a few British citizens supported the Nazi regime they did so as individuals where as the general perception is that the Catholic/Nazi links started at the top and worked down at no stage did the leadership of the Catholic church show any attempt to stand up for the principles that it loudly expects others to follow and even when it was all over it still helped some of the most vile elements of the Nazi cause escape justice.

It is not individual Catholics that are at fault it is the Catholic institution that is the rotting edifice that sorely needs to be kicked in (note the adaptation of a Hitler quote).
March 1st, 2012  
Padre
 
 
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Well I wasnt going to get involved
it's naughty to tell fibs Monty.

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It is not individual Catholics that are at fault
well done Monty! We agree even if you got there via the low road. Well done. Thank you. But it is BritinAfrica & Co. you need to convince of this truth. Go for it. How are you by the way?
March 1st, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Padre
it's naughty to tell fibs Monty.
Hey I took my shots early and got out of this thread as I am not going to get into another 30 page yawn-fest where the only two posters are just shouting the same thing over and over at each other.

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well done Monty! We agree even if you got there via the low road. Well done. Thank you. But it is BritinAfrica & Co. you need to convince of this truth. Go for it. How are you by the way?
Isn't there a sin of omission?

Because I am sure that I pointed out how I believe it is the Catholic institution that is wrong and I am sure we don't agree on that.
March 1st, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
Because I am sure that I pointed out how I believe it is the Catholic institution that is wrong and I am sure we don't agree on that.

The difference here is that while a few British citizens supported the Nazi regime they did so as individuals where as the general perception is that the Catholic/Nazi links started at the top and worked down at no stage did the leadership of the Catholic church show any attempt to stand up for the principles that it loudly expects others to follow and even when it was all over it still helped some of the most vile elements of the Nazi cause escape justice
Exactly my point.

Am I a bigot? Perhaps I am. As I said I gave an account of my own experiences at the hands of Catholic nuns and the Catholic church. You don't have to convince me of anything, because frankly I'm not interested. A dog doesnt have to attack me twice to know its dangerous.

So you are a Northern Irish Australian, your mum was a Catholic and your dad a Protestant, so what? I don't care if one was a Buddhist monk and the other was a sengorma.

I once did business with two church going so called Christians, I have never met such a pair of lying and cheating scumbags before in my life. But that's another story.