Arming police is backward step (UK needs help)




 
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Arming police is backward step (UK needs help)
 
June 15th, 2007  
5.56X45mm
 
 

Topic: Arming police is backward step (UK needs help)


Arming police is backward step (UK needs help)
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/opinio....aspx?id=509975
Arming police is backward step

Published on 14/06/2007

IT is understandable that calls have gone up this week for the wholesale arming of the police in the wake of the killing of PC Jonathan Henry just minutes after he had come on duty.

But I think it would be a disastrous step. There is no evidence that recent and still mercifully rare murders of police officers would have been prevented had they been carrying guns.

Donít let us go down the American route where arming the police has arguably led to more deaths.

Up to 400 fatal shootings a year and the murder of 50 officers hardly represents a successful policy.

Highly trained armed response officers in this country can get it wrong as the shooting of a Brazilian electrician on the London Underground in 2005 illustrated.

In the aftermath of a major terror attack on the capital, police wrongly thought he was a suicide bomber.

Even with its occasional flaws, we do need an armed response facility. But it would be totally wrong to start dishing out guns to your average bobby. In any case does the ordinary copper WANT to be armed? I doubt it.

Policing in this country is about trust and building public confidence. American cop shootouts may be all right for television, but not here please.

It's too easy, after a high profile tragedy, to start calling for the arming of the police. This is not the sort of decision to be taken emotionally.

The day our police take to the streets with guns bulging from their holsters will be a huge backward step for law enforcement-and it will probably make us and the police less safe than we are now.


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Okay, maybe the anti-gunners in UK will never understand. That society works two ways.

1. Understanding
2. Force

Criminals understand number two.
June 15th, 2007  
Del Boy
 
My problem at present is that in this country only the criminals are armed and they are armed to the teeth.
June 15th, 2007  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Del Boy
My problem at present is that in this country only the criminals are armed and they are armed to the teeth.
Got a question for you:
How much of the UK's police work on foot these days (i.e PC Plodd walking a neighbourhood patrol)?

The reason I ask this is that I think you will find that much like New Zealand who's police officers are also technically unarmed more and more patrol work is done by vehicle and those vehicles are equipped with at least one firearm.
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Arming police is backward step (UK needs help)
June 17th, 2007  
Del Boy
 
That's not the case here. Of course we have specialist armed response units, but no one is allowed to own arms and our criminal gangs have a choice of the best available with which to shoot people down on the streets.

Being under violent seige in your home, even for an old woman, for example, is not usually enough to gain a police response at the time. Perhaps a visit to discuss it next day. This appears to be the scene according to reports.

Certainly my case of a few days ago, which involved a violent drunk trying to kick my front door in, was reported but did not warrant a visit.
June 17th, 2007  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy

Certainly my case of a few days ago, which involved a violent drunk trying to kick my front door in, was reported but did not warrant a visit.
Man, I cannot believe that.....

You're telling me that the police do not respond to some calls? As a police officer, I get dispatched to the most mundane calls. I mean something as useless and wasteful of police as a citizen locked out of their car. (We have slim jims and can open a car. So we get dispatched to open cars.)

So UK Police will not come by if you guys call 911 (I don't know what the UK version is) and tell the dispatcher that someone is kicking your door?

Man, if sh!t like that happened here in the states we'd all be fired and probably have our certifications stripped because we didn't protect and serve the citizenary.

The UK sounds like one crappy place to live....

Secert Police type tactics. Flying spybots watching your every move, cameras on every street corner, police having reasons to enter your house without any warrant, self defense being against the law, etc....
June 17th, 2007  
Missileer
 
 
Politicians love disarmed peasants.
June 17th, 2007  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Missileer
Politicians love disarmed peasants.
Why?

I am interested in why you fear your government enough to require weapons to keep them at bay.

I could understand it in countries that are not inherently democratic in process but in most developed, educated and politically stable countries the general population isn't arming itself on the off chance the government comes after them.
June 17th, 2007  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Why?

I am interested in why you fear your government enough to require weapons to keep them at bay.

I could understand it in countries that are not inherently democratic in process but in most developed, educated and politically stable countries the general population isn't arming itself on the off chance the government comes after them.
Nazi Germany
Soviet Russia
Communist Cuba
Communist Vietnam
Communist China
Khmer Rouge of Cambodia
Islamic Iran
Kuwait under Saddam
North Korea
KKK

Shall I continue?




The reason is because an armed citizenary keeps the damn government in check. Threat of rebellion and overthrow keeps governments from becoming corrupt.

Nazi Germany Disarmed the Jews
Soviet Russia disarmed those against communism
Castro disarmed those against his regime
The KKK disarmed blacks during the Jim Crow era
The Islamofacist in Iran disarmed those against them


History is the best teacher....
June 17th, 2007  
5.56X45mm
 
 
MontyB, I don't know how things work for you but here in the States. We enjoy our freedoms from a corrupt government. We kicked the damn British out by force not by letting them leave when they got tired with us.

Armed men are citizens
Disarmed men are subjects
June 17th, 2007  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm
Nazi Germany
Soviet Russia
Communist Cuba
Communist Vietnam
Communist China
Khmer Rouge of Cambodia
Islamic Iran
Kuwait under Saddam

Shall I continue?

And you think that public will elect any of these guys anytime soon because if I am not mistaken all but one of those ( Kuwait under Saddam) were populist armed revolutions and are all very good reasons why the population should be disarmed.

In the interests of fairness though yes you should continue but please find better examples.

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MontyB, I don't know how things work for you but here in the States. We enjoy our freedoms from a corrupt government.
Well we found it best not to elect corrupt governments (incompetent maybe but not corrupt) but each to his own.

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We kicked the damn British out by force not by letting them leave when they got tired with us.
Well we just said hey we dont need British rule anymore thanks, cya later and strangely enough New Zealand is an independant sovreign nation go figure.

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Armed men are citizens
Disarmed men are subjects
Yes revolutionaries and terrorists are also armed men kind of interesting how it works both ways.
 


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