Arabs in the Israeli Army - Page 9




 
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November 22nd, 2011  
benaakatz
 
 
Lol I don't think anything is really coming out of this thread anymore
November 22nd, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
We all know how you discredit posts. Wrong links, wrongly read articles and distorted facts.
Sorry, but you are again merely saying what I have said about you all along. Tell me that is not distortion. LOL

You never learn and you certainly don't improve do you.

You still have not been able to tell me why if my views are wrong, they are supported by virtually every International Humanitarian agency in the world, Red Cross, Medecins Sans Frontieres, CARE, Amnesty International, and of course the UNHCR and the ICJ, and then of course there are the Jewish groups like, Jews for justice in Palestine, and B'Tselem.

It makes your whole argument rather stupid doesn't it? You've got to do better than just baseless denial. (called lies by all but the Zionists)

Rabbis from Israel


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Originally Posted by benaakatz
Lol I don't think anything is really coming out of this thread anymore
It was doomed from the start Ben. The truth about Israel will always show them to have been the aggressors and their continued record of war crimes and crimes against humanity supports that finding.
November 23rd, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
Good thing I missed the bulk of it then.
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November 23rd, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 84RFK
Good thing I missed the bulk of it then.
Some people just have no sense of adventure.
November 23rd, 2011  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Sorry, but you are again merely saying what I have said about you all along. Tell me that is not distortion. LOL
You never learn and you certainly don't improve do you.
The difference is, you have not disproved one fact of mine. Saying it is Zionist propaganda is not disproving a fact. While I have disproved many "facts" of you.

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You still have not been able to tell me why if my views are wrong, they are supported by virtually every International Humanitarian agency in the world, Red Cross, Medecins Sans Frontieres, CARE, Amnesty International, and of course the UNHCR and the ICJ, and then of course there are the Jewish groups like, Jews for justice in Palestine, and B'Tselem.
See, typically you. You take out what you like and leave out what you don't like. Virtually every International Humanitarian agency in the world condems them both.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for an immediate ceasefire and condemned both Israel and Hamas

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1860 : the resolution was unsuccessful as Israel and Hamas ignored it and the fighting continued.

A spokesman for the European Union's Foreign Policy Chief, Javier Solana : called for an "unconditional halt" of Hamas rocket attacks and Israeli military action.

28-12-2008 News Release 08/248 : "The ICRC calls on those involved in the hostilities to exercise restraint..."

Amnesty International :...unacceptable for Israel to continue to purposefully deprive 1.5 million people of food and other basic necessities and ... Hamas and all other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza to stop firing indiscriminate rockets against towns and villages in southern Israel ( info here )

B'Tselem : "Human rights organizations reported that, since the blast in the coffee shop, Hamas security forces in the Gaza Strip and Fatah security forces in the West Bank have committed grave human rights violations." info here


International reaction to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict
Black : Israel-Gaza
Dark blue : States that endorsed the Israeli position/defined Israel's action as falling within its right to defense.
Light blue : States that condemned Hamas action only.
Dark red : States that endorsed the Hamas position/defined Hamas' actions as falling within its right of resistance.
Light red : States that condemned Israeli action only.
Green : States that called for an end to hostilities, and condemned neither/both belligerents.
Grey : States that made no official statement on the conflict.

Look at the lower right corner, your beloved Australia which according to your post 61 in this tread is "a moral and law abiding country totally without colonialist visions so we respect the rule of international law" And in case you still don't get it they endorsed the Israeli position/defined Israel's action as falling within its right to defense.
And what's your position? Dark red according to your posts. So that leaves you, Iran and North Korea (one is toppled). Nice company I must say.
I'm with Australia. Dark blue.

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It makes your whole argument rather stupid doesn't it? You've got to do better than just baseless denial. (called lies by all but the Zionists)
Does it?

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It was doomed from the start Ben. The truth about Israel will always show them to have been the aggressors and their continued record of war crimes and crimes against humanity supports that finding.
Looks who doomed it : post2
I have another one you doomed : the thread "Should we quit the UN" post 2
November 23rd, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
The difference is, you have not disproved one fact of mine. Saying it is Zionist propaganda is not disproving a fact. While I have disproved many "facts" of you.
Bullsh!t!
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
See, typically you. You take out what you like and leave out what you don't like. Virtually every International Humanitarian agency in the world condems them both.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for an immediate ceasefire and condemned both Israel and Hamas

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1860 : the resolution was unsuccessful as Israel and Hamas ignored it and the fighting continued.
What, did you think that I'd be too stupid to check? The Resolution against Israel reads "
SECURITY COUNCIL CALLS FOR IMMEDIATE, DURABLE, FULLY RESPECTED CEASEFIRE IN GAZA LEADING TO FULL WITHDRAWAL OF ISRAELI FORCES

Resolution 1860 (2009) Adopted by 14 in Favour, Abstention by United States;
Also Calls for Unimpeded Humanitarian Assistance, Welcomes Egyptian Initiative

The reason that Gaza started sending airborne reminders to the Israelis in 2007/8, was because the Israelis had, as usual, never intended to abide by their side of the ceasefire, and had besieged Gaza with holding food and all humanitarian aid in a deliberate attempt to provoke Hamas. This was verified by Israelis military members, one of whom was imprisoned for 4 and a half years for passing Israeli army documents to Haaretz detailing their plans ans deceptions.

Tell me you were not aware of this, so we can all see exactly how ill informed you are.

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
A spokesman for the European Union's Foreign Policy Chief, Javier Solana : called for an "unconditional halt" of Hamas rocket attacks and Israeli military action.
and how many resolutions have condemned Hamas as compared with Israel? Is it not true that Israel has the dubious honour of having had more resolutions raised against it's criminal behaviour than all other countries combined? And yet you have the unmitigated gall to comment upon the company that others keep,...

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
28-12-2008 News Release 08/248 : "The ICRC calls on those involved in the hostilities to exercise restraint..."
but they have never tried to have charges of War Crimes and Crimes against humanity bought against them as they have with Israel.

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Amnesty International :...unacceptable for Israel to continue to purposefully deprive 1.5 million people of food and other basic necessities and ... Hamas and all other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza to stop firing indiscriminate rockets against towns and villages in southern Israel ( info here )
They have only fired purposely, the only thing indescriminate is because they have no guided weapons. Give them the weapons and technology that the US has given Israel and there would be no indiscriminate rockets.

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
B'Tselem : "Human rights organizations reported that, since the blast in the coffee shop, Hamas security forces in the Gaza Strip and Fatah security forces in the West Bank have committed grave human rights violations." info
B'tselem's whole raison d'etre is to disclose Israel's continued criminal activities against the Palestinians. Why?... because even Israelis admit that they are ashamed of the criminal acts of their government being undertaken in their name, as are the Jews for Justice in Palestine and the Rabbis for Palestine, Neturei Karta, as well as any number of learned Jewish academics and humanitarians.
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Originally Posted by Jews for Palestine
. Examples: the Peace Now movement; thoughtful and eloquent advocates of justice such as Neve Gordon; those Israeli military officers who several years ago risked their careers by publicly refusing service in the occupied territories.
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
International reaction to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict
Black : Israel-Gaza
Dark blue : States that endorsed the Israeli position/defined Israel's action as falling within its right to defense.
Light blue : States that condemned Hamas action only.
Dark red : States that endorsed the Hamas position/defined Hamas' actions as falling within its right of resistance.
Light red : States that condemned Israeli action only.
Green : States that called for an end to hostilities, and condemned neither/both belligerents.
Grey : States that made no official statement on the conflict.

Look at the lower right corner, your beloved Australia which according to your post 61 in this tread is "a moral and law abiding country totally without colonialist visions so we respect the rule of international law" And in case you still don't get it they endorsed the Israeli position/defined Israel's action as falling within its right to defense.
And what's your position? Dark red according to your posts. So that leaves you, Iran and North Korea (one is toppled). Nice company I must say.
I'm with Australia. Dark blue.
Don't be so sure about australias views as demonstrated by your map. it's one thing to claim something and something else to find the truth. And since when was the continued theft of Palestinian land considered as self defence. I'm not even talking of more illegal military actions, but the actions of so called "peaceful settlers"? Australia's government is effectively held to ransom by the US., you've never understood "official diplomacy" have you? never the less the cracks beginning to show in that "diplomacy". I'll guarantee if it were put to a plebiscite tomorrow, any visible support for Israel would fail miserably in Australia. See below

"Only last week, the opposition foreign affairs spokesperson Julie Bishop accused the elected government of emboldening those against Israel. On Thursday, the Government had voted against Bishop’s motion calling on the House to reaffirm its support for Israel and a two-state solution". Your so called "support for Israel in Australia" is largely a public relations illusion, as is your rather ambitious map. http://www.jewishnews.net.au/governm...g-israel/21175
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Does it?
Yes it does. doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Looks who doomed it : post2
I have another one you doomed : the thread "Should we quit the UN" post 2
Neither of them took any effort on my behalf, LOL,.... they were both still born, only needing the pronouncement of the fact. You are just miffed because I pointed out another indesputable fact showing Israel's propaganda to be just that and no more. (Lies)

Give yourself another weeks break, to try and find another way of re-presenting your same old failed arguments, the answer will always be the same,... you FAIL! Meanwhile I'll rewind my tape recorder to re answer your stupidity,... again. Or maybe not....
November 23rd, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Some people just have no sense of adventure.
Nah, been out hunting mostly, that's more my kind of adventure really.
November 24th, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Pulls the plug and hides it.
November 24th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
I wrote : "United Nations Security Council Resolution 1860 : the resolution was unsuccessful as Israel and Hamas ignored it and the fighting continued."

As usual your answer destorts the fact by picking out the things you like and leaving out the things you don't like. You only read the title and not the article.

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Originally Posted by senojekips
What, did you think that I'd be too stupid to check? The Resolution against Israel reads "
SECURITY COUNCIL CALLS FOR IMMEDIATE, DURABLE, FULLY RESPECTED CEASEFIRE IN GAZA LEADING TO FULL WITHDRAWAL OF ISRAELI FORCES

Resolution 1860 (2009) Adopted by 14 in Favour, Abstention by United States;
[CENTER]
Also Calls for Unimpeded Humanitarian Assistance, Welcomes Egyptian Initiative
[LEFT]
You didn't check.
This is what you forgot : "including to prevent illicit trafficking in arms and ammunition," and "emphasising that the Palestinian and Israeli civilian populations must be protected,"
You can read the full document here
By leaving this out you give the reader the impression that the UN resolution was only about Israel, which it wasn't. Answer my question: why did you leave out the Palestinian side of the resolution?

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The reason that Gaza started sending airborne reminders to the Israelis in 2007/8, was because the Israelis had, as usual, never intended to abide by their side of the ceasefire, and had besieged Gaza with holding food and all humanitarian aid in a deliberate attempt to provoke Hamas. This was verified by Israelis military members, one of whom was imprisoned for 4 and a half years for passing Israeli army documents to Haaretz detailing their plans ans deceptions.
So you call deadly rockets airborne reminders???
Then why is Human Rights Watch against it? Gaza: Stop Rocket Attacks Against Israel Civilians.
you forget to mention that there were economic sanctions against the Palestinian National Authority imposed by Israel and the Quartet on the Middle East and would be lifted if:
- Renunciation of violence,
- Recognition of Israel by the Hamas government (as the PLO had done), and
- Acceptance of previous agreements between Israel and the Palestinian National Authority.

The Israeli military members were jailed, in Gaza Hamas would have killed them without trials.
See this : Human Rights Watch says Islamist group killed at least 32 in attacks on political rivals and suspected collaborators
and Amnesty International has accused Hamas militants in Gaza of kidnapping, killing and torturing fellow Palestinians they accuse of spying for Israel, the organization announced Tuesday. Info here.

Another Palestinian fable is that Hamas leaders complain Israel is causing poverty.
Then read this article and here

here a picture:Palestinians shopping at the new al-Andulusia mall in Gaza City on August 16, 2011.Photo by: AP



Another story about who holds of the peace:
Israeli-Palestinian soccer 'peace team' to face Barcelona's stars Exhibition match, to be attended by Shimon Peres, also gets active support from movie actor Sean Connery. Article here
And what does the PA do?
"The Palestinian FA will form a committee to investigate the players who participated in the match ... everyone involved will be punished," senior FA official Jamal Zaqout told Reuters.

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Don't be so sure about australias views as demonstrated by your map. it's one thing to claim something and something else to find the truth. And since when was the continued theft of Palestinian land considered as self defence. I'm not even talking of more illegal military actions, but the actions of so called "peaceful settlers"? Australia's government is effectively held to ransom by the US., you've never understood "official diplomacy" have you? never the less the cracks beginning to show in that "diplomacy". I'll guarantee if it were put to a plebiscite tomorrow, any visible support for Israel would fail miserably in Australia. See below

"Only last week, the opposition foreign affairs spokesperson Julie Bishop accused the elected government of emboldening those against Israel. On Thursday, the Government had voted against Bishop’s motion calling on the House to reaffirm its support for Israel and a two-state solution". Your so called "support for Israel in Australia" is largely a public relations illusion, as is your rather ambitious map. http://www.jewishnews.net.au/governm...g-israel/21175
Well well well, once again you read the title but not the article.
I quote : "In their responses, Labor MPs noted their party’s ongoing support for Israel, but accused Bishop of “petty point scoring”.

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Give yourself another weeks break, to try and find another way of re-presenting your same old failed arguments, the answer will always be the same,... you FAIL! Meanwhile I'll rewind my tape recorder to re answer your stupidity,... again. Or maybe not....
Then answer my questions of my "so called failed arguments" !
November 24th, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Pulls the plug and hides it.
Bugger, he found it.
 


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