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I suspect this is the case with most people world wide. However as Mr VDKMS pointed out earlier intermarriage is not common amongst Jewish folk (makes the mother in law a bit of a rarity I guess) so theoretically this would mean that they can be shipped back to their country of origin. Anyway back to lurking in the wings and wondering why every thread on this subject has turned into a p*ssing contest. |
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So I just ignore them,... unless of course their arguing is keeping me awake. |
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"Terra nullius is a Latin expression deriving from Roman law meaning "land belonging to no one" (or "no man's land"), which is used in international law to describe territory which has never been subject to the sovereignty of any state, or over which any prior sovereign has expressly or implicitly relinquished sovereignty." The region Palestine has been subject to many souvereign states. So Terra nullius is invalid, and once invalid always invalid. Quote:
They lived there, they ruled it and they owned it. The Palestinians lived there, where ruled by other states and most land was owned by absentee landlords. See the difference? |
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Furthermore, it is stated quite clearly in the case of Palestine. Quote:
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Well I guess I will attempt to move things back on topic (or at least I think it is the topic)
I found this rather interesting... The Enemy Within The Israeli Army November 16, 2011: Israel is having a hard time maintaining morale and high standards in its armed forces. A major problem is the growing number of young men and women who are avoiding service (draft dodgers, in U.S. parlance). The Israeli armed forces has about 160,000 people on active duty, about 60 percent of those are draftees (men serving for 36 months, women for 21 months) and a third are women (who can serve in 90 percent of military jobs). You get drafted at 18, unless you have a deferment. Currently about a quarter of men and nearly half the women get some kind of deferment. The military expects this deferment rate to keep increasing. In an effort to get more young men with a religious deferment to volunteer, the army is giving in to conservative Jewish sects that demand unmarried men and women remain separated while in the military. At first, this meant smaller (company and battalion size) units containing only "religious" (actually, very religious) Jews. But when these units came together for operations or ceremonies, the religious Jews demanded that female soldiers be segregated from the men. They also demanded that women soldiers not sing (Israeli soldiers sing a lot) when religious male soldiers are around. In general, female soldiers are increasingly not allowed to mingle with male soldiers if there are religious soldiers present. All this sort of thing has been bad for morale, angered the female soldiers and caused a public uproar over the issue. For a long time, about ten percent of potential draftees were deferred because they were ultra-orthodox Jews in religious schools. Now it's over ten percent and climbing, because more young Orthodox Jews use the religious study deferment. About twelve percent of Israelis are very religious Jews, but there are a higher percentage of religious Jews among junior officers, and senior commanders fear they will soon face subordinates refusing to carry out orders for religious reasons. Moreover, about 25 percent of potential male recruits are exempt (unless they volunteer) because they are Moslem or Christian. It's easy for women to get exemptions, and over 40 percent do. As a result, Israel is having a difficult time keeping its armed forces up to strength. Another looming problem is a new law that only allows reservists to be called up once every three years. This law came about because so many reservists were being called up more frequently, which upset a significant number of voters. On top of that, active duty troops now require more months of specialized training, which proved quite useful two years ago in Gaza. But those months of additional training means fewer troops are available for counter-terror and other duties. The problem with the draft dodgers is that they know that Israel has never been defeated in war, and has been the top military power in the region for decades. Many young men believe they won't be missed if they manage to fake their way into an exemption. The military is cracking down on the exemptions, sending out investigators to make sure those claiming a deferment are entitled to it. This has resulted in thousands of young men, and especially women, changing their declaration (usually about religious matters) and choosing to serve. The military is also making a big deal out of draft dodging, in the media, hoping to shame more men into stepping up. It is also allowing more of the minorities, especially those who only serve if they volunteer, to get into any job they qualify for. In the past, Arabs were restricted from many fields, because of potential loyalty conflicts in wartime. But now the military believes they have screening that can detect who is loyal and who is not. Finally, the military is making more of an effort to integrate young recent immigrants into the military. Because these guys often had not yet mastered the language and customs, they usually end up in menial jobs. Highly educated conscripts don't respond well to that, and it's a waste of valuable skills. So the military is going to give the new migrants more opportunities, and see how they respond. But the most contentious problem is, ironically, the religious one. Israeli women know very well how women are mistreated in Moslem countries. The ultra-orthodox (Haredi) Jews are becoming a more serious problem. Violence by religious extremists is becoming more common. The most conservative religious Jews have increasingly used violence in Jerusalem. For example, they oppose the government allowing cars to park near Haredi neighborhoods on Saturday (the Sabbath). They also oppose billboard ads that feature women anywhere near where Haredi live, and segregate women on busses in their neighborhoods. Now they want to segregate the military as well, and that has aroused a lot of public opposition. http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htm.../20111116.aspx |
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Let me give you an example where Terra nullius is valid. Suppose Palestine was a place surrounded by big mountains. No one lived there and no other nation or army has ever been there. Then the Palestinians find an entrance an start building a society. In that case Terra nullius is valid and the land belongs to the Palestinians. Unfortunately for the Palestinians this is not how it went. Many other nations have ruled the region Palestine, even the Jews. Terra nullius has nothing to do with occupation. When you look at the territories where Terra nullius is or was valid, there is no mention of Palestine. A territory where Terra nullius is valid are unclaimed areas in Antarctica. In the case Mabo v Queensland Terra nullius was rejected. You better read the definition of Terra nullius. |
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