Sorry, but you are again merely saying what I have said about you all along. Tell me that is not distortion. LOLWe all know how you discredit posts. Wrong links, wrongly read articles and distorted facts.
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It was doomed from the start Ben. The truth about Israel will always show them to have been the aggressors and their continued record of war crimes and crimes against humanity supports that finding.Lol I don't think anything is really coming out of this thread anymore
Some people just have no sense of adventure.Good thing I missed the bulk of it then.
Sorry, but you are again merely saying what I have said about you all along. Tell me that is not distortion. LOL
You never learn and you certainly don't improve do you.
You still have not been able to tell me why if my views are wrong, they are supported by virtually every International Humanitarian agency in the world, Red Cross, Medecins Sans Frontieres, CARE, Amnesty International, and of course the UNHCR and the ICJ, and then of course there are the Jewish groups like, Jews for justice in Palestine, and B'Tselem.
It makes your whole argument rather stupid doesn't it? You've got to do better than just baseless denial. (called lies by all but the Zionists)
It was doomed from the start Ben. The truth about Israel will always show them to have been the aggressors and their continued record of war crimes and crimes against humanity supports that finding.
Bullsh!t!The difference is, you have not disproved one fact of mine. Saying it is Zionist propaganda is not disproving a fact. While I have disproved many "facts" of you.
What, did you think that I'd be too stupid to check? The Resolution against Israel reads "See, typically you. You take out what you like and leave out what you don't like. Virtually every International Humanitarian agency in the world condems them both.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for an immediate ceasefire and condemned both Israel and Hamas
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1860 : the resolution was unsuccessful as Israel and Hamas ignored it and the fighting continued.
and how many resolutions have condemned Hamas as compared with Israel? Is it not true that Israel has the dubious honour of having had more resolutions raised against it's criminal behaviour than all other countries combined? And yet you have the unmitigated gall to comment upon the company that others keep,...A spokesman for the European Union's Foreign Policy Chief, Javier Solana : called for an "unconditional halt" of Hamas rocket attacks and Israeli military action.
but they have never tried to have charges of War Crimes and Crimes against humanity bought against them as they have with Israel.28-12-2008 News Release 08/248 : "The ICRC calls on those involved in the hostilities to exercise restraint..."
They have only fired purposely, the only thing indescriminate is because they have no guided weapons. Give them the weapons and technology that the US has given Israel and there would be no indiscriminate rockets.Amnesty International :...unacceptable for Israel to continue to purposefully deprive 1.5 million people of food and other basic necessities and ... Hamas and all other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza to stop firing indiscriminate rockets against towns and villages in southern Israel ( info here )
B'tselem's whole raison d'etre is to disclose Israel's continued criminal activities against the Palestinians. Why?... because even Israelis admit that they are ashamed of the criminal acts of their government being undertaken in their name, as are the Jews for Justice in Palestine and the Rabbis for Palestine, Neturei Karta, as well as any number of learned Jewish academics and humanitarians.B'Tselem : "Human rights organizations reported that, since the blast in the coffee shop, Hamas security forces in the Gaza Strip and Fatah security forces in the West Bank have committed grave human rights violations." info
Jews for Palestine said:. Examples: the Peace Now movement; thoughtful and eloquent advocates of justice such as Neve Gordon; those Israeli military officers who several years ago risked their careers by publicly refusing service in the occupied territories.
Don't be so sure about australias views as demonstrated by your map. it's one thing to claim something and something else to find the truth. And since when was the continued theft of Palestinian land considered as self defence. I'm not even talking of more illegal military actions, but the actions of so called "peaceful settlers"? Australia's government is effectively held to ransom by the US., you've never understood "official diplomacy" have you? never the less the cracks beginning to show in that "diplomacy". I'll guarantee if it were put to a plebiscite tomorrow, any visible support for Israel would fail miserably in Australia. See belowInternational reaction to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict
Black : Israel-Gaza
Dark blue : States that endorsed the Israeli position/defined Israel's action as falling within its right to defense.
Light blue : States that condemned Hamas action only.
Dark red : States that endorsed the Hamas position/defined Hamas' actions as falling within its right of resistance.
Light red : States that condemned Israeli action only.
Green : States that called for an end to hostilities, and condemned neither/both belligerents.
Grey : States that made no official statement on the conflict.
Look at the lower right corner, your beloved Australia which according to your post 61 in this tread is "a moral and law abiding country totally without colonialist visions so we respect the rule of international law" And in case you still don't get it they endorsed the Israeli position/defined Israel's action as falling within its right to defense.
And what's your position? Dark red according to your posts. So that leaves you, Iran and North Korea (one is toppled). Nice company I must say.
I'm with Australia. Dark blue.
Yes it does. doesn't it?Does it?
Neither of them took any effort on my behalf, LOL,.... they were both still born, only needing the pronouncement of the fact. You are just miffed because I pointed out another indesputable fact showing Israel's propaganda to be just that and no more. (Lies)Looks who doomed it : post2
I have another one you doomed : the thread "Should we quit the UN" post 2
Some people just have no sense of adventure.
What, did you think that I'd be too stupid to check? The Resolution against Israel reads "
SECURITY COUNCIL CALLS FOR IMMEDIATE, DURABLE, FULLY RESPECTED CEASEFIRE IN GAZA LEADING TO FULL WITHDRAWAL OF ISRAELI FORCES
Resolution 1860 (2009) Adopted by 14 in Favour, Abstention by United States;Also Calls for Unimpeded Humanitarian Assistance, Welcomes Egyptian Initiative
The reason that Gaza started sending airborne reminders to the Israelis in 2007/8, was because the Israelis had, as usual, never intended to abide by their side of the ceasefire, and had besieged Gaza with holding food and all humanitarian aid in a deliberate attempt to provoke Hamas. This was verified by Israelis military members, one of whom was imprisoned for 4 and a half years for passing Israeli army documents to Haaretz detailing their plans ans deceptions.
Don't be so sure about australias views as demonstrated by your map. it's one thing to claim something and something else to find the truth. And since when was the continued theft of Palestinian land considered as self defence. I'm not even talking of more illegal military actions, but the actions of so called "peaceful settlers"? Australia's government is effectively held to ransom by the US., you've never understood "official diplomacy" have you? never the less the cracks beginning to show in that "diplomacy". I'll guarantee if it were put to a plebiscite tomorrow, any visible support for Israel would fail miserably in Australia. See below
"Only last week, the opposition foreign affairs spokesperson Julie Bishop accused the elected government of emboldening those against Israel. On Thursday, the Government had voted against Bishop’s motion calling on the House to reaffirm its support for Israel and a two-state solution". Your so called "support for Israel in Australia" is largely a public relations illusion, as is your rather ambitious map. http://www.jewishnews.net.au/government-accused-of-failing-israel/21175
Give yourself another weeks break, to try and find another way of re-presenting your same old failed arguments, the answer will always be the same,... you FAIL! Meanwhile I'll rewind my tape recorder to re answer your stupidity,... again. Or maybe not....
Pulls the plug and hides it.
Arabs from the IDF shopping? No, just kidding. I think Gaza is off limits for IDF soldiers.Since I haven't monitored this thread I fail to see the connection between a shopping mall in Gaza and Arabs in the Israeli Army... :?
But as it seems like this thread is allready off topic I'd like to ask those of you who may have the proper knowledge about the subject one question.
Why is cement on the list of restricted substances that can't be shipped freely to Gaza?
To my knowledge cement can hardly be used for anything else than mixing concrete, a substance rarely found in rockets and IED's, and thus it wouldn't carry any strategic value except for the making of defensive fortifications...
Oh don't worry he bought up some rubbish about luxury hotels in a similar post in another thread.Since I haven't monitored this thread I fail to see the connection between a shopping mall in Gaza and Arabs in the Israeli Army... :?
But as it seems like this thread is allready off topic I'd like to ask those of you who may have the proper knowledge about the subject one question.
Why is cement on the list of restricted substances that can't be shipped freely to Gaza?
To my knowledge cement can hardly be used for anything else than mixing concrete, a substance rarely found in rockets and IED's, and thus it wouldn't carry any strategic value except for the making of defensive fortifications...
Wikipedia said:According to Amnesty International, the Economist, Haaretz and UN reports, prior to June 2010, the following was banned or restricted:
Food. According to a UN report, importation of lentils, pasta, tomato paste and juice has been restricted.[15] Pasta has since been allowed. Soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy are now permitted.[16] Fruit, milk products in small packages and frozen food products are also allowed.[14] Dry food,[17] ginger and chocolate were at one point barred.[18]
Household items. A4 paper,[18] crayons, stationary, soccer balls, and musical instruments have been, at times, banned for import.[17] According to AFP other banned goods include toilet paper,[4] though the BBC lists it as permitted.[3] According to the Haaretz the following items were banned in 2009: books, candles, crayons, clothing, cups, cutlery, crockery, electric appliances such as refrigerators and washing machines, glasses, light bulbs, matches, musical instruments, needles, sheets, blankets, shoes, mattresses, spare machine and car parts, and threads.[14]
Reconstruction materials. Amnesty International and other organisations report that cement, glass, steel, bitumen, wood, paint, doors, plastic pipes, metal pipes, metal reinforcement rods, aggregate, generators, high voltage cables and wooden telegraph poles are high priority reconstruction materials currently with no or highly limited entry into Gaza through official crossings.[19] A UN report by Kevin M. Cahill said reconstruction was halted because of lack of steel, cement or glass, among other building materials.[15]
Fuel. Fuel had not been imported from Israel since 2008. While fuel is available from Egypt, in contrast to Israeli fuel, it damages the newer cars in Gaza and causes malfunctions. Israel allowed only limited amounts of industrial fuel into Gaza prior to June 2010.[14]
Agriculture and fishing. According to Gisha, fishing ropes and rods, ginger and chocolate, hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries, were at one point barred.[18]
Medical material. Batteries for hearing aids have been restricted.[15] Wheelchairs, at various times, have been banned.[17]
According to the Haaretz, the number of items allowed into Gaza, as of May 2010, is about 100. Before the blockade, some 4,000 items were allowed. Gisha states that a large Israeli supermarket holds 10,000-15,000 items.
Humanitarian organisations have claimed that these products were actually banned to prevent any chance of the civil population trying to repair infrastructure deliberately damaged by the Israelis, in an attempt to put pressure on Hamas. This constitutes illegal collective punishment of the civil population as defined by the ICJ.
What the Gazans use the materials for, so long as it's not fortifications is none of Israel's nor your business. Anyway, why are you so concerned about the people of Gaza, you are the one who supports those undertaking an admitted plan of deliberate provocation, destruction and ethnic cleansing. The average Gazan probably can't afford to repair their own infrastructure so it's left to those who do have the money to do pretty much as they wish. Perhaps with you being such a "mover and shaker", you can tell large corporations what to do with their money, but I'd say that is not the case with the population of Gaza.Wouldn't it be better that they had used the materials to build a 3000m2 shopping mall to repair civilian infrastructure?
BTW why do you list banned or restricted goods prior to June 2010 when just beneath it is the current list? Is it because you don't like the new one? Look here.
It was a strategic decision,:sarc:... deliberately designed to reduce the living conditions of the Palestinians to less than that of animals.Wheelchairs were banned....?
Ah well, sheikh Yassin was wheelchairbound, so a ban on wheelchairs would probably limit his ability to move around. :horsie:
The policy is to restrict service in the armed forces to citizens of Israel, Jews as well as Christians, Moslems, Druze and others, and to non-Israeli Jews and their non-Jewish children and grandchildren, so as to avoid placing at risk persons who do not have this connection to Israel.I heard from a friend that only jewish europeans could join but my arab friend told me that arabs who were jewish could join as well.Is this true?I know that most of Israel is composed of arab jews.
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What the Gazans use the materials for, so long as it's not fortifications is none of Israel's nor your business. Anyway, why are you so concerned about the people of Gaza, you are the one who supports those undertaking an admitted plan of deliberate provocation, destruction and ethnic cleansing. The average Gazan probably can't afford to repair their own infrastructure so it's left to those who do have the money to do pretty much as they wish. Perhaps with you being such a "mover and shaker", you can tell large corporations what to do with their money, but I'd say that is not the case with the population of Gaza.
I was pointing out what Israel had banned before International pressure forced them to cave in on some of the more ridiculous items. You just need to stop trying to justify Israel's criminal behaviour,... your guilty conscience is showing very clearly.
I mean to say, banning, Musical Instruments? Clothing, cups, Crayons? Washing machines and severely limiting basic foodstuffs like lentils and pasta. It sounds almost exactly like the restrictions placed on the Jews in Germany, although I don't think that they were quite as bad.
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