April 9, 1940 - Page 2




 
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March 10th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Actually with the effectiveness of the German army in 1940-41 there wasn't much most of Europe could do. No other country was as well trained and prepared for war as Germany was at the time. Britain was saved by heroic and skilled pilots as Germany decided to stop bombing targets of military significance and start bombing civilian population centers. I believe the war in the USSR could have gone either way had Hitler not declared war on the USA.
March 10th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by JOC
Actually with the effectiveness of the German army in 1940-41 there wasn't much most of Europe could do. No other country was as well trained and prepared for war as Germany was at the time. Britain was saved by heroic and skilled pilots as Germany decided to stop bombing targets of military significance and start bombing civilian population centers. I believe the war in the USSR could have gone either way had Hitler not declared war on the USA.
Personally I think the role of the RAF in the battle of Britain has been over played massively, there is no doubt that the RAF were the front line in the BoB and that its actions were decisive but it was not what saved Britain at all.

If we analyse this a little less emotively I would suggest had Britain been part of mainland Europe it would have fallen in days/weeks just like the rest of Western Europe, its army was poorly trained and equipped due to losses in France so had the Wehrmacht been able to get to grips with the BEF it would have been a relatively easy fight for them.

The RAF fought well but was suffering proportional losses to the Luftwaffe and was being degraded in terms of combat ability so lets face it the RAF would not have stopped a German victory had the Germans got ashore in sufficient numbers.

What "Saved" Britain was the fact that the Germans could not get to Britain or supply troops that did or in other words the English channel and the primary reason it could not cross the channel was that the better part of its navy was at the bottom of Norwegian fjords thanks to the Royal Navy.

My opinion on this matter is that it was primarily geography that saved Britain and not far behind that was the presence of the Royal Navy even had the Luftwaffe defeated the RAF Germany still could not have successfully invaded Britain.
March 11th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
Personally I think the role of the RAF in the battle of Britain has been over played massively, there is no doubt that the RAF were the front line in the BoB and that its actions were decisive but it was not what saved Britain at all.

If we analyse this a little less emotively I would suggest had Britain been part of mainland Europe it would have fallen in days/weeks just like the rest of Western Europe, its army was poorly trained and equipped due to losses in France so had the Wehrmacht been able to get to grips with the BEF it would have been a relatively easy fight for them.

The RAF fought well but was suffering proportional losses to the Luftwaffe and was being degraded in terms of combat ability so lets face it the RAF would not have stopped a German victory had the Germans got ashore in sufficient numbers.

What "Saved" Britain was the fact that the Germans could not get to Britain or supply troops that did or in other words the English channel and the primary reason it could not cross the channel was that the better part of its navy was at the bottom of Norwegian fjords thanks to the Royal Navy.

My opinion on this matter is that it was primarily geography that saved Britain and not far behind that was the presence of the Royal Navy even had the Luftwaffe defeated the RAF Germany still could not have successfully invaded Britain.
Being an Island certainly did give it some distance from the Wehrmacht. The Wehrmacht really wasn't too prepared for operation Sea Lion. Basically lacking the troop transport and the Navy to support such an operation. Besides after the BOB, (which lets face it, was a bit of a setback since it was the 1st time Germany didn't get a victory) Hitler began to shift his attentions onto his ultimate prize the USSR.
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March 11th, 2015  
tetvet
 
B of B was full of Churchill's Bombast and BS .
March 11th, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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B of B was full of Churchill's Bombast and BS .
Another intelligent post.

Pray tell what exactly do you know about the Battle of Britain if anything? I'd be very interested to hear your anti British views as I am sure others would.
March 11th, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
Personally I think the role of the RAF in the battle of Britain has been over played massively, there is no doubt that the RAF were the front line in the BoB and that its actions were decisive but it was not what saved Britain at all.

If we analyse this a little less emotively I would suggest had Britain been part of mainland Europe it would have fallen in days/weeks just like the rest of Western Europe, its army was poorly trained and equipped due to losses in France so had the Wehrmacht been able to get to grips with the BEF it would have been a relatively easy fight for them.

The RAF fought well but was suffering proportional losses to the Luftwaffe and was being degraded in terms of combat ability so lets face it the RAF would not have stopped a German victory had the Germans got ashore in sufficient numbers.

What "Saved" Britain was the fact that the Germans could not get to Britain or supply troops that did or in other words the English channel and the primary reason it could not cross the channel was that the better part of its navy was at the bottom of Norwegian fjords thanks to the Royal Navy.

My opinion on this matter is that it was primarily geography that saved Britain and not far behind that was the presence of the Royal Navy even had the Luftwaffe defeated the RAF Germany still could not have successfully invaded Britain.
I agree with this in part, but not in total. What the Battle of Britain pilots did was shoot down experienced Luftwaffe aircrew as well as protecting British industry building military equipment. Enfield Lock Small Arms Factory just north of London was targeted many times, but thanks to 11 and 12 Group it was never hit. Enfield Lock was the only factory in UK building the BREN at that time.

RAF aircrew losses were terrible, a high number of pilots died on their first sortie some as young as 19. It did prove to Hitler that Britain was never going to roll over.

But I do agree Germany could never have invaded Britain, it would have been too costly
 


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