mmarsh
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Stayed up until 3 am to watch it. Whata'cha ya all think of the current bumper crop of GOP Presidential candidates? Most seem rotten, but there are a few good ideas out there.
My thoughts...(Pros and Cons)
I thought the 3 Front Runners sounded really bad. McCain, Romney, and Guiliani. Though I did like Guiliani's 'nominate me' answer as how to get moderates to vote GOP. I also like Romney's defense of a Health care system which is better than the rest slight change of status quo. Like Bush in 2004, if elected, none of these guys are going to do a thing to help those who need it.
I was angered by most of the calls against 'socialized medicine' because it was such blatent pandering to the HMO lobby. Since I live in a country that offers 100% Universal Health Care I can tell you as a fact that it is a far superior system. Its sad when dictatorships like Cuba and Venuzuala offer 100% free heath care to its citizens but the US does not. We hide our disgrace under the banner of 'freedom'...that is freedom for big companies to make huge profits at the public's expense is the more accurate description.
Ron Paul's remarks on this powerful remarks of the legitimizing of preemptive, particularly about preemptive Nuclear weapons war was on the mark. I was shocked to see that nobody else could muster the courage to say that using Nukes was stupid, and dangerous, and one or two of them sounded like they liked the idea of using a Nuke on Iran. -An awkward moment of silence from the crowd followed.
Tancredo is looking more and more like a zealot, not only does he wish to teach creationism in public schools but he was to ban ALL LEGAL immigration to the US as well. In fairness, that was a bit too much for the others, who made it VERY clear that he was alone on that position. Mr Tancredo seems to have forgotten that we are a nation of immigrants.
There were were two plans for Iraq that sounded feasible. The first was (I believe) Sam Brownback who suggested the often mentioned never but tried idea of the 3-State Solution. It missed a few details like about what to do with the Turkish Kurds, but at least he recognized the fact that you have a better chance of getting Yankees fans to support the Boston Red Sox then you would of convincing the Sunnis and Shiia to live together.
The Second was Mike Huckabee suggestion of putting the question of American troops to the Iraqi Government. If the Iraqis ask that the US leave, that we should exit immediately.Leave them in their own destiny and stop this idiotic idea of nation building.
On Iraq, the most clueless person was Duncan Hunter whose Idea was to replace US Units with Iraqis once they become available. I don't know what planet Mr. Hunter has been living on, but that precisely the plan Bush has tried for the past 4 years. The only true conclusion in 4 years is that Iraqi troops are not ready (or are even close). It seems obvious that if Iraqi Forces were capable of taking over we would be out of Iraq by now.
The think the GOP had a truce going on because, none of them went after each other. Hunters comments were so obviously wrong its hard to imagine the others not picking that mistake up. The Dems would be so kind.
Well thats me, Any one else watch it?
My thoughts...(Pros and Cons)
I thought the 3 Front Runners sounded really bad. McCain, Romney, and Guiliani. Though I did like Guiliani's 'nominate me' answer as how to get moderates to vote GOP. I also like Romney's defense of a Health care system which is better than the rest slight change of status quo. Like Bush in 2004, if elected, none of these guys are going to do a thing to help those who need it.
I was angered by most of the calls against 'socialized medicine' because it was such blatent pandering to the HMO lobby. Since I live in a country that offers 100% Universal Health Care I can tell you as a fact that it is a far superior system. Its sad when dictatorships like Cuba and Venuzuala offer 100% free heath care to its citizens but the US does not. We hide our disgrace under the banner of 'freedom'...that is freedom for big companies to make huge profits at the public's expense is the more accurate description.
Ron Paul's remarks on this powerful remarks of the legitimizing of preemptive, particularly about preemptive Nuclear weapons war was on the mark. I was shocked to see that nobody else could muster the courage to say that using Nukes was stupid, and dangerous, and one or two of them sounded like they liked the idea of using a Nuke on Iran. -An awkward moment of silence from the crowd followed.
Tancredo is looking more and more like a zealot, not only does he wish to teach creationism in public schools but he was to ban ALL LEGAL immigration to the US as well. In fairness, that was a bit too much for the others, who made it VERY clear that he was alone on that position. Mr Tancredo seems to have forgotten that we are a nation of immigrants.
There were were two plans for Iraq that sounded feasible. The first was (I believe) Sam Brownback who suggested the often mentioned never but tried idea of the 3-State Solution. It missed a few details like about what to do with the Turkish Kurds, but at least he recognized the fact that you have a better chance of getting Yankees fans to support the Boston Red Sox then you would of convincing the Sunnis and Shiia to live together.
The Second was Mike Huckabee suggestion of putting the question of American troops to the Iraqi Government. If the Iraqis ask that the US leave, that we should exit immediately.Leave them in their own destiny and stop this idiotic idea of nation building.
On Iraq, the most clueless person was Duncan Hunter whose Idea was to replace US Units with Iraqis once they become available. I don't know what planet Mr. Hunter has been living on, but that precisely the plan Bush has tried for the past 4 years. The only true conclusion in 4 years is that Iraqi troops are not ready (or are even close). It seems obvious that if Iraqi Forces were capable of taking over we would be out of Iraq by now.
The think the GOP had a truce going on because, none of them went after each other. Hunters comments were so obviously wrong its hard to imagine the others not picking that mistake up. The Dems would be so kind.
Well thats me, Any one else watch it?
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