Rob Henderson
Banned
I wouldn't have to if he would stay on the topic in the first place. Since he's such a stickler for SOME of the rules.
Are Americans any different?
The Other Guy
Spam King
What?I used to be able to understnd profound statements like this, but then I quit using.
I agree in part. People love to think that the rules apply to everyone but them, because they're somehow special. But just because some people won't obey them doesn't mean they shouldn't be in place.
Agree, except for the last sentence. I'm not sure how a generic statement based on your statement which made absolutely no sense in the context of the page could merit such a response.
I'm still confused. How can that post be considered trying to be a moderator? He didn't say "get on topic or else" just a response to a comment suggesting he was on some sort of drug.Please use the "Report Post" button
We (the staff) have no chance to read through all new posts/threads in here so if you find any posts you believe violates any of the forum rules then use the "report post" buttonand we'll deal with it as soon as we're online (if we believe it violates any rules).
If you choose not to use that button then you can't blame us for not dealing with offensive etc. posts/threads since it's a good chance that we don't know about it at all.
Threads/posts that are not reported rarely gets any attention from us since we assume that no members finds it/them offensive.
The only exceptions here are posts we clearly see that violates the forum rules.
And what good does the report post button do if you don't think it violates the rules? Based on previous responses, the following is not attempting to be a moderator:
But THIS is attempting to be a moderator:
Perhaps now you understand my confusion, or at least my mistrust in reporting posts?
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Above means he doesn't want to talk about it unless it's constructive.
Below is just another "Off topic!!" type post done in reverse.
Below is just another "Off topic!!" type post done in reverse.
03USMC
Active member
I'll tell you what. You disagree you take it up with Redleg.
What you don't do is challenge a moderator in an open forum.
Got it?
Rob Henderson
Banned
From my previous experience... I don't see that you or any other moderator on this forum would have done anything short of him insulting my dead great-grandfather... Oh wait... He's done that too...
Americans talk a lot of trash, but I highly doubt the government would have TOO much trouble if they really wanted to take our guns away.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
I wouldn't rule this one out at all.
But my bet is that a lot of folks would still hang onto their weapons privately. Homemmade suppressors would probably become the rage and black market ammo might be the in thing.
Rob Henderson
Banned
Yeah. It takes us back to the whole thing about registering firearms... But my thinking on the situation is that if it ever got to the point where the government wanted or needed to take away our guns completely, we would be at the point where we needed to overthrow the system ANYWAY.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
It certainly would be decision time for Americans. And this time it won't be about ballots.
Chukpike
Banned
So which is it?
Guns will go quietly as Rob says.
Or there will be a rebellion as Rob says.
Rob has found the answer! :bravo: He has pretty much covered the bases on this one.
I for one would have to say I agree with him on at least one of his statements.
Rob Henderson
Banned
There will always be those who would keep their guns, by not registering, purchasing illegally, etc. But for the vast majority of the country, it wouldn't be hard. I never said they would go quietly... There would certainly be a fight, but it wouldn't be much of one.
I had a slightly different idea when I posted that... What I meant by overthrowing the system is that Americans would see it coming and switch the tracks before we got to that point... We would never let the government take our guns COMPLETELY. It would never get that bad. The "guns going quietly" theory is just that... A theory. I'd bet the farm it never got that bad.
But I will commend you on managing to stay on the topic instead of blatantly insulting my intelligence. Thank you for that.
I had a slightly different idea when I posted that... What I meant by overthrowing the system is that Americans would see it coming and switch the tracks before we got to that point... We would never let the government take our guns COMPLETELY. It would never get that bad. The "guns going quietly" theory is just that... A theory. I'd bet the farm it never got that bad.
But I will commend you on managing to stay on the topic instead of blatantly insulting my intelligence. Thank you for that.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
I think I speak for a lot of folks when I say: I'll agree with you when I agree with you.
The Other Guy
Spam King
I think I understand and agree with what you're trying to say. And I do agree. But disagreement is no reason to compare the supporters of the contrasting opinion to druggies or mental patients.
Back on the topic at hand, I think what Rob was attempting to say in those posts was that the majority would go quietly if it was just decided out of the blue. But if it was done as the culmination of a long series of events that violate the various aspects of our freedom then there would already be a fight going on by the time the government decided to take our guns away.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Just saying, we don't disagree with him for the sake of disagreeing with him.
Chukpike
Banned
In this presently hypothetical fight who would come for the guns?
Sorta what the "Gun Nuts' are doing now? Protesting to their Legislatures, going to the US Supreme Court like DC vs Heller? This seems like operating within the system.
"Overthrowing the System" means something entirely different to me and Merriam Webster.
overthrow
Pronunciation:\ˌō-vər-ˈthrō\
Function:transitive verb Inflected Form(s) over·threw \-ˈthrü\ ; over·thrown \-ˈthrōn\ ; over·throw·ingDate:14th century1 : overturn, upset
2 : to cause the downfall of : bring down, defeat
3 : to throw a ball over or past (as a base or a receiver)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overthrow
"Overthrowing the System" kind of rules out the ball throwing usage
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Rob Henderson
Banned
I don't really know... There are several variations that could occur. That's why it's hypothetical.
Are you that straightforward and unable to think outside the box? If the American government were really endangering our 2nd Amendment rights, then it would be time for a change in the government. To cause the downfall or defeat of those who would take away our guns. Hence the phrase "overthrowing the system." Care to take another stab at it?
What is there that says an amendment cannot be "Struck off" or "re amended". after all it is only an amendment which implies that it is only a change or addition to an existing understanding.
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Dictionary: a·mend·ment (ə-mĕnd'mənt)
n.
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- The act of changing for the better; improvement: “Society may sometimes show signs of repentance and amendment” (George G. Coulton).
- A correction or alteration, as in a manuscript.
- The process of formally altering or adding to a document or record.
- A statement of such an alteration or addition: The 19th Amendment to the Constitution gave women the right to vote.
What everybody is very conveniently missing is that all Laws can be changed or further amended if the need or desire arises.
Even Constitutions are not immutable.
I would like to see some answers to Bropous's question as to what would you do if given 24 hours to comply with a change in the gun laws. Where would we stand regarding all this high flying talk of Defence of the constitution.
Personally I feel that most would comply, many would break the law, and it would only be the occasional nutter who would defend his "rights" to the death.
If I was given 24 hours to comply with gun laws, my past statement STILL holds, They can have all my guns, I'll leave them to them in my will.
THATS how much I'll comply with ANY law that prevents me from defending my family form harm in my own house.
Chukpike
Banned
Rob, here are your posts #86 and #88 which seem to be exactly opposite of each other.
Then your watered down version, which really mirror your above statements. Post #91
Some how not meaning "overthrowing" the government.
And now in Post#96
"Are you that straightforward and unable to think outside the box? If the American government were really endangering our 2nd Amendment rights, then it would be time for a change in the government. To cause the downfall or defeat of those who would take away our guns. Hence the phrase "overthrowing the system." quote Rob Henderson
You are back to overthrowing the government.
So as the topic of this post is Are Americans any different? , then your answer is yes the are different and they would try and overthrow the government to keep their guns.
Thank you for finally clarifying your position! And these are Robs statements. And if he feels he needs to accuse me of cutting and pasting, everyone is free to go back and read exactly what he wrote. I have numbered the posts.
Then your watered down version, which really mirror your above statements. Post #91
Some how not meaning "overthrowing" the government.
And now in Post#96
"Are you that straightforward and unable to think outside the box? If the American government were really endangering our 2nd Amendment rights, then it would be time for a change in the government. To cause the downfall or defeat of those who would take away our guns. Hence the phrase "overthrowing the system." quote Rob Henderson
You are back to overthrowing the government.
So as the topic of this post is Are Americans any different? , then your answer is yes the are different and they would try and overthrow the government to keep their guns.
Thank you for finally clarifying your position! And these are Robs statements. And if he feels he needs to accuse me of cutting and pasting, everyone is free to go back and read exactly what he wrote. I have numbered the posts.
Rob Henderson
Banned
*sigh* Very good Chukpike... It only took you 10 pages to figure it out.
I think there is no way that Americans (all Americans) would just roll over and die when it came to their guns, but I don't know that they would take it to the extreme of physical violence. I meant that they would fight politically.
The point I was trying to make when I said "I doubt the government would have too much trouble if they really wanted to take our guns away." was that if it DID come down to physical altercations, the people then WOULD give up their weapons. As illustrated PERFECTLY by wolfen in his above post.
Get it? Got it? Doubt it.
I think there is no way that Americans (all Americans) would just roll over and die when it came to their guns, but I don't know that they would take it to the extreme of physical violence. I meant that they would fight politically.
The point I was trying to make when I said "I doubt the government would have too much trouble if they really wanted to take our guns away." was that if it DID come down to physical altercations, the people then WOULD give up their weapons. As illustrated PERFECTLY by wolfen in his above post.
Get it? Got it? Doubt it.
Chukpike
Banned
Wolfen, Could you clarify your above statement for Rob. He seems to be under the impression you would give up your guns when the government told you too.