Originally Posted by senojekips

Well, the fact that it has probably held the record for war crimes and crimes against humanity for the last 60+ years with the exception of a fews years off during the Balkans stoush, might be a good place to start.

your forgetting all the guys like Saddam Hussein, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, Joesph Kony, Muhammad Fadhi Adidi. Any of these names ring a bell. They weren't Israeli and weren't from the balkans...

I suspect it would appear your wish to join these thugs is probably strongly influenced by your PDD. A difficulty in developing social skills is not something anyone would want in a team environment. Especially a military force.

You are such a troll. That being said my social skills are ok. I mean whats the problem in fact they are better than most peoples. I just got kicked out of high school for beating up people that messed with me for their own good and my amusement of course.

Originally Posted by Easy-8

your forgetting all the guys like Saddam Hussein, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, Joesph Kony, Muhammad Fadhi Adidi. Any of these names ring a bell. They weren't Israeli and weren't from the balkans...

And none of their murdering regimes lasted 64 years either, not one of then earned the number of condemnatory UN resolutions that Israel has either. Virtually all of those you listed committed atrocities on their own people they did not steal the land of another people and set to murdering those who resisted by any means. it must really make you proud to see the company Israel keeps.

Originally Posted by Easy-8

You are such a troll. That being said my social skills are ok. I mean whats the problem in fact they are better than most peoples. I just got kicked out of high school for beating up people that messed with me for their own good and my amusement of course.

There you go, unstable personality traits by your own admission, you can say what you like to me, but you can't explain away the findings of trained psychologists. Anyone who would willingly volunteer to serve with a force that has the worlds greatest number of UN resolutions and against it, and also betrays the trust of your own country, (I'm presuming you are a US citizen) just has to have something "not quite right".

Be proud, you rank right up there with the foreign volunteers for the Totenkopfverbande.

Having said all of the above, I state clearly that I am not being unduly hard here, but someone must wake you up to the realities of what you are attempting to do.

Oh dear yet another Palestine/Israel thread they seem to be proliferating at a great rate of knots it is hard keeping up with them and repeating the same **** over and over.

So here is my take for what it's worth:
1) Can we possibly keep the threads about Israel to a manageable few in appropriate forum sections.

2) Easy-8 I think you are going to have trouble getting into any military whose country you don't have citizenship of, my only suggestion would be to look at your grandparents and see if there is a country you can qualify for other than that welcome to life as a civilian its really not that bad.


Either way good luck.

Easy 8 don't mind senojekips.
He is on some personal crusade against Israel with his propganda
I sent you a pm,
You can't join the IDF without having an Israeli citizenship\being a jew.
pretty much like the U.S(besides the jew thing ofc lol)

Now i've researched alittle bit more and it seems like you can.
according to IDF offical blog FAQ
"
1) Can I join the IDF if I’m not Israeli?

a. Yes, you can volunteer either by making Aliyah and declaring citizenship or volunteering as a foreign volunteer through Mahal."
so check with the israeli embassy in your country.

But just so you know,it will revoke your american citizenship...

why cant you join the US military? because of your health condition?
i believe that you can do it, im not sure, but if muslim arabs can join the IDF so could you... i know alot of people from america who came to israel and joined the IDF (jews) and alot of them are older than you... but according to Eden it will revoke your american citizenship... are you sure eden?

I don't see why they would revoke my citizenship. I haven't taken up arms against the US or selling Israel any secrets.

Originally Posted by Easy-8

first few facts about me

- American citizen
- non-jewish
- in outstanding phyisical shape
- i am 23 years of age

I was wondering how an American such as myself would be able to join the IDF.. I decided I wanted to do something a little different than the US military after all I can do that later. I also love Israel and its history. So can anyone help me?

I think you might want to read this...

''Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer''.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...nship_780.html

Since Israel has engaged in hostilities against the US in the past, and given the worsening US-Israeli relations, do you really want to put yourself into the situation of risking having to be ordered to fire on your own country? If you do, then do us all a favor and renounce your US citizenship right now and save us the trouble of kicking you out later

Don't kid yourself...if it was in the Israeli national interest to fire on US forces, they wouldn't bat an eyelash to do so. They have done precisely this in the past. The sad truth is that countries that have helped Israel in the past have wound up regretting it later (UK, France, USA)...

If I might make a suggestion...if you are dead-set against serving in the US military (which IMHO is your best option), I might suggest you look at the French Foreign Legion as you don't risk a conflict of interest or risk losing of your citizenship. Note: I don't actually suggest you should actually join the FFL because its a extremely brutal life (much worse than conventional military) and you will almost certainly see combat, but it is at least an alternative without the political risks.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

I think you might want to read this...

''Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer''.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...nship_780.html

Since Israel has engaged in hostilities against the US in the past, and given the worsening US-Israeli relations, do you really want to put yourself into the situation of risking having to be ordered to fire on your own country? If you do, then do us all a favor and renounce your US citizenship right now and save us the trouble of kicking you out later

Don't kid yourself...if it was in the Israeli national interest to fire on US forces, they wouldn't bat an eyelash to do so. They have done precisely this in the past. The sad truth is that countries that have helped Israel in the past have wound up regretting it later (UK, France, USA)...

If I might make a suggestion...if you are dead-set against serving in the US military (which IMHO is your best option), I might suggest you look at the French Foreign Legion as you don't risk a conflict of interest or risk losing of your citizenship. Note: I don't actually suggest you should actually join the FFL because its a extremely brutal life (much worse than conventional military) and you will almost certainly see combat, but it is at least an alternative without the political risks.

Are you serious?,first of all there was no spying,CIA released files couple of days ago that proves it.

And Israel-US relations are not the best right know,but fighting against eachother?are you serious?..will never ever happen.even if US Israel relations really go down,
too much conspiracies bro.

First all take up the Jewish faith learn Hebrew and then become an Israeli citizen and you are home and dry