I am so pissed!

Chief Bones

I absolutely agree, these "people", (the same "people" that disrupted the 2000 florida recount) need to be arrested and thrown in Jail. They are not grassroots, they are political hacks and while the pretend to protect democracy they are only really concerned about their own rights, not the rights of other people who disagree.

And once they are in jail it would be a very easy thing to research who set them up and bring up charges against the ringleaders too. I think theres an arguement for at least conspiracy, perhaps even racketeering not to mention disturbing the peace.
 
mmarsh said:
Chief Bones

I absolutely agree, these "people", (the same "people" that disrupted the 2000 florida recount) need to be arrested and thrown in Jail. They are not grassroots, they are political hacks and while the pretend to protect democracy they are only really concerned about their own rights, not the rights of other people who disagree.

And once they are in jail it would be a very easy thing to research who set them up and bring up charges against the ringleaders too. I think theres an arguement for at least conspiracy, perhaps even racketeering not to mention disturbing the peace.
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You mean the Counties where there were voting irregularities & where the Supervisors of Elections were all Democrats? Is Obama a Communist? Maybe, maybe not. His patheticly thin voting record was far Left & anti-Capitalist. Ignored Rule of Law by disenfrancising secured debt holders to give Chrysler to unsecured debt holders, the UAW. Booting owners & giving the company to the workers sounds Communist to me. Then the violations of Contract Law where financial Industry workers had performance bonuses in thier Contracts & he said they couldn't have them, in violation of the contracts, or the US Govt. would target them individually & tax it away from them. Sounds like gangsterism there. How many times have Republicans been shouted down on college campuses?
 
Considering Chrysler was supposed to go out of business and all the investors were supposed to lose all the money they invested in Chrysler, I don't see what the complaining is about.
"Booting the owners" came not out of the blue, but after they had proven yet again that they are incapable of running the company and putting it under government control isn't exactly "giving it to the workers" either.
Odds are, the government is going to look for a private sector buyer in the coming years once the company has been stabilized.
Under a new ownership, contracts do change and often it's a clause of M&As.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Considering Chrysler was supposed to go out of business and all the investors were supposed to lose all the money they invested in Chrysler, I don't see what the complaining is about.
"Booting the owners" came not out of the blue, but after they had proven yet again that they are incapable of running the company and putting it under government control isn't exactly "giving it to the workers" either.
Odds are, the government is going to look for a private sector buyer in the coming years once the company has been stabilized.
Under a new ownership, contracts do change and often it's a clause of M&As.
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Personally I think the "They(Chr & GM) are going to close up & disappear" was a lie to help panic the situation. There are various bankruptcys. Some result in everyone losing everything. This wasn't one of them. Secured debt holders legally have 1st cut @ the assets. The unsecured debt holders only get a cut if there is anything left after the secured debt is taken care of. The secured debt holders were Demonized by Obama, the Press & other Democrats as evil profiteers & were badgered into accepting .28 cents on the Dollar & the UAW(unsecured debtors) recieved 55% of the assets (shares) & that isn't "government control". This was at best a perversion of Law. The UAW might not technically be the Workers, but the Workers are the membership of the UAW, so taking a company & giving it to the Workers is, effectivly, what happened. How does the UAW negotiate a new labor contract with it's own members?
 
From what I know of these large corporations, they don't roll over and die in the face of the government as easily as you suggested. I really don't think anything short of imminent implosion would have led GM and Chrysler to hand over the keys to the government.
I don't know enough about the secured debt holders, what their deals were, what their collateral was etc. to comment on that. Whatever the circumstances, such secured debt holders always do cause a lot of headaches for M&As because they are entitled to things that the buying party hopes/needs to control.
 
Ah.... how I missed these arguments :)! I have to say that my view of the Good ol' US of A is shifting by the minute. Unfortunately it isn't the only country where people can scream things as:
People are getting pissed.... we're getting to a tipping point and it's not going to be pretty.

As for you guys here that side with them.... I don't care what you say. I stand on the side of Freedom.
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and call it democracy! I am dumbfounded that you spend years to pretend to support democracy, as long as the demos say what you want to hear! Anything that isn't your tune and you want to step in and exterminate any of the insolent bastards... And I especially like the remark "I don't care what you say." Another trademark of democracy out of the window... I have come to a point where I wonder why you object to being called a Nazi? Their ideas on democracy were very much alike. But I guess you don't want to hear this and certainly won't believe it. My suggestion read a proper history book on the subject instead of watching Fox.

But it is a tendency we start having in Holland too... We are still learning to cope with a screaming, insolent git in parliament. But we do recognize the fact that he has been chosen into parliament by a whole lot of people. This is why we don't dis cart and isolate him. We are looking for a solution and perhaps a compromise... Maybe you should try this for a chance instead of threatening with civil war.
 
What is happing to the USA, we are allowing our goverment to view themselves as us supporting them when they work for us. We need to step up and take our country back and move back to the way our founding father's set it up to be. "We the People............. ! Not Them the goverment
 
It would be nice if politicians had to step down n lose their pensions immediately ..if a system of *Vote of Incompetence* was filed by the people, :drunkb: for actions not considered for *good of the people*. :smile:
 
DireWolf said:
Its going to get MUCH MUCH worse. We're on our way to socialism. You didn't hear?
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Yes, of course. Because a Democrat won the election, we're going to become a socialist country... :roll: Give me a break. Have you ever actually BEEN to a socialist country? Do you realize what QUALIFIES as socialism?
 
GG9909 said:
It would be nice if politicians had to step down n lose their pensions immediately ..if a system of *Vote of Incompetence* was filed by the people, :drunkb: for actions not considered for *good of the people*. :smile:
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That would paralyse government as only popular decisions would be implemented and whether people like it or not popular decisions are not always the right ones as any leadership course will tell you.
 
Chief Bones said:
What I am pissed about, are those who think the democratic process means screaming so loud that those who are trying to answer questions from concerned citizens, can't hear the questions.

Democracy is the FREE EXCHANGE of ideas ... NOT PARTISAN POLITICS as usual.

While I defend concerned citizen's right to express their concerns ... they should be arrested for disturbing the peace if all they do is to completely disrupt the democratic process with violence and brazen noise...

POLITICAL GANGSTERS ARE AS BIG A CRIMINAL element, as those who commit crimes using a firearm .. and .. should be handled the same way.

Health care is an issue who's time has come {too many American's are NOT rich and can NOT afford to make use of the greatest health care system in the world}. It deserves better than gangsterism instead of democratic discourse.
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Well your post got me interested enough in this topic to actually look into it for myself and after reading and listening to some of the "leaders" on this topic I am more than a little surprised they havent been locked up on sedition charges.

It is one thing to disagree with a policy (its politics no one will ever agree on anything) but to disseminate what are effectively lies and then start talking about the people "rising up" based on those lies is very dangerous ground.

So your post is spot on, well done.
 
mmarsh said:
The worse thing already did happen, a Democrat won.
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It wouldn't be a problem if a Democrat like Sam Nunn had been elected & proposed reform based on Market solutions. Instead we have far Left anti Capitalists whose main supporters are upset that the Country isn't being wrecked faster than it is. One letter to the Editor of my local paper stated "The status quo must be destroyed".
 
George said:
It wouldn't be a problem if a Democrat like Sam Nunn had been elected & proposed reform based on Market solutions. Instead we have far Left anti Capitalists whose main supporters are upset that the Country isn't being wrecked faster than it is.
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Wow... can I say, provide evidence?
 
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