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Most of you and yours will be losing seats in the House of Representatives, Senate, Governorships, and Local State Houses and Senates.

The Conservative movement is not dead, the ideals of freedom aren't dead, and the idea of "We the People" having a voice is not dead.

We will hold the Republicans' feet to the fire. I will not allow them to do what they did back in 1994 with their "Contract with America". The RINOs have been removed and fresh blood is in the party.

In the end I believe this is a good turn of events for the country. The results aren't in for every election but so far it looks good.
 
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Most of you and yours will be losing seats in the House of Representatives, Senate, Governorships, and Local State Houses and Senates.

The Conservative movement is not dead, the ideals of freedom aren't dead, and the idea of "We the People" having a voice is not dead.

We will hold the Republicans' feet to the fire. I will not allow them to do what they did back in 1994 with their "Contract with America". The RINOs have been removed and fresh blood is in the party.

In the end I believe this is a good turn of events for the country. The results aren't in for every election but so far it looks good.

Awesome!!!
What F*** are we talking about?
 
US Mid-term elections, Democrats lost the majority in the House of Representatives and it looks like their majority in the Senate will be cut down from 59 to 52 seats. My state appears to be throwing out our Blue Dog Democrat (who has a law degree from Georgetown) and instead put in office a Republican with two years of college under her belt. In essence John Boehner has two votes, one from his constituents in Ohio, the other from South Dakota.
 
US Mid-term elections, Democrats lost the majority in the House of Representatives and it looks like their majority in the Senate will be cut down from 59 to 52 seats. My state appears to be throwing out our Blue Dog Democrat (who has a law degree from Georgetown) and instead put in office a Republican with two years of college under her belt. In essence John Boehner has two votes, one from his constituents in Ohio, the other from South Dakota.

Ah, I just figured he had the soapbox out again.

But looking at those numbers it doesn't really seem like the Democrats have been hit that hard given the economic mess.
 
Well, only 33 of the 100 Senate seats were up for election, so the changes would not be felt as hard in the Senate compared to the House of Representatives. The Democrats had 60 seats in the Senate after the last election cycle, over the course of two years the Democrats have gone from a filibuster prove majority in the Senate, control of the House and the Presidency (Damn near a monopoly on the Government) to a slim majority in the Senate, loss of control in the House, and now a President whom some consider to be on the hot seat in 2012. The Republican Party (or perhaps the Tea Party?) has done what many considered to be impossible just two years ago. They basically convinced a majority of Americans that the bailout and stimulus were failures that can be attributed only to one party, the Democratic Party. That much of that legislation was signed by Bush is irrelevant to many people. The best part about all of this? There were real fiscal conservatives elected to office. No more of this Bush era running on flag burning and gay marriage amendment crap, but rather people running on issues that truly can and should be addressed by government. Right now CNN has the Republicans projected at controlling 243 seats in the House to the Dem's 192 and I think the Senate is still projected at 52-48. As an independent I normally feel despair regardless of an election's outcome because neither party represents my issues, but if the new Republican Party can focus more on fiscal conservancy, less on social issues, I can get on board, if not I'll return to my bitter ways.
 
We'll see. In the end, I refuse to believe that less compassion for others is EVER a good thing.


I'm not against the churches, private charities, and personal actions taken by people. I am against the government mandating that I have to give someone my money because that person want to stay on welfare, live in a section 8 house, and not contribute a cent towards the economy.

When you have close to 50% of the population not contribute a cent towards the economy but demand services that I have to pay for that will lead to major problems. It's a system that cannot support itself.

No different then these huge retirement packages that cops and fire fighters get. Work for twenty years and retire getting full health, dental, and a paycheck that is about 90% of what you made. Who is paying for it? The tax payer. Guess what my job is? I'm a cop remember. I'm against my own retire system because it leads to government raising property taxes, income tax, sales tax, etc...

This is the same problem with government mandated programs like social security, welfare, section 8, medicare, obamacare, etc....

Government has three simple reasons to exist.

1. National Defense - Military and foreign voice in global affairs
2. Infrastructure - Roads, water (privatized is better), sewer (privatized is better), and electricity (privatized is better)
3. Justice System - Fair and just legal system. Not laws that restrict my rights to own firearms or your right to smoke marijuana (not saying you do but using it as an example).

That's it....... nothing more nothing less. This nation fought a war against England for less reasons. Our current government is far more bloated and oppressive then the Mother Country.

This needs to end and it needs to end now. Because if it doesn't the USA will go the route of Greece, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, and every other country that is broke because of it's Socialist style government and programs. Europe is rolling back these policies while the USA is trying to go forward with it. We should earn from other people's mistakes.

Insanity is doing some that doesn't work over and over and excepting it to work the next time your try it. That is the socialist policies that we the American population are pissed about. The people have spoken, just like they did in 2008.
 
US Mid-term elections, Democrats lost the majority in the House of Representatives and it looks like their majority in the Senate will be cut down from 59 to 52 seats. My state appears to be throwing out our Blue Dog Democrat (who has a law degree from Georgetown) and instead put in office a Republican with two years of college under her belt. In essence John Boehner has two votes, one from his constituents in Ohio, the other from South Dakota.

What does college have to do with representing constituents?
 
We'll see. In the end, I refuse to believe that less compassion for others is EVER a good thing.

Rob, We have been down this road before. You simply CANNOT force people to be compassionate.

BTW ROB, Here is a link to an article that talks about liberal vs conservative giving habits.

http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2008/03/27/conservatives_really_are_more_compassionate

Maybe instead of ASSUMING that because you are liberal and give to charity, that all liberals have to be as compassionate as you. Sorry Rob but the facts don't seem to support you on this.

Curious to see how you are going to work this to blame it on Bush.
 
I come from the school of thought that a higher level of education indicates a person is more likely to make the correct decision in a situation. All of my past CO's and most of my Chiefs had a college degree.
 
Rob, We have been down this road before. You simply CANNOT force people to be compassionate. http://

I come from the school of thought that a higher level of education indicates a person is more likely to make the correct decision in a situation. All of my past CO's and most of my Chiefs had a college degree.
Hokie: Basic Liberal theology is the people only care about themselves, so the Govt. has to take the money from them & spend it. Kinda like a comment Rob made in another Thread about the Rich's money. While the Rich are smart enough to make millions of $s, they're too stupid, in Liberal eyes, to spend money "the right way" or on the "right" things, so Libs believe the Govt should take the money from them. Then they believe that the all wise Govt will know how to spend it "the right way".
One problem with many a college education is indoctrination by Liberal Profs!
 
I'm not against the churches, private charities, and personal actions taken by people. I am against the government mandating that I have to give someone my money because that person want to stay on welfare, live in a section 8 house, and not contribute a cent towards the economy.
Because all of your money goes to exactly that.
To be frank, you have no idea what YOUR money goes to. You know that the government does ATTEMPT to take care of people like that, even though they may not need it or have any motivation to better their situation, but can you tell me exactly how much of your money specifically goes to those people.
When you have close to 50% of the population not contribute a cent towards the economy but demand services that I have to pay for that will lead to major problems. It's a system that cannot support itself.
Funny how even though half the population apparently doesn't pay taxes, yet the United States still exists... ???
No different then these huge retirement packages that cops and fire fighters get. Work for twenty years and retire getting full health, dental, and a paycheck that is about 90% of what you made. Who is paying for it? The tax payer. Guess what my job is? I'm a cop remember. I'm against my own retire system because it leads to government raising property taxes, income tax, sales tax, etc...
Cops and firefighters DESERVE those retirement packages. At least I think they do. They put their lives on the line for a good portion of their lives... The absolute least I feel I can do is pay for them to live with some measure of comfort after they hang up their uniform... If I have to pay a little more taxes for them to do so, then I'm all for it.

It's just like that 9/11 health care bill that *just* passed... Those first responders are the MOST deserving people of free health care for the rest of their lives... It BLEW ME AWAY that ANYONE could vote AGAINST them having it. I don't care HOW big the tax hike is, those people should never have to pay a DIME to a health insurance company or a doctor again.
This is the same problem with government mandated programs like social security, welfare, section 8, medicare, obamacare, etc....

Government has three simple reasons to exist.

1. National Defense - Military and foreign voice in global affairs
2. Infrastructure - Roads, water (privatized is better), sewer (privatized is better), and electricity (privatized is better)
3. Justice System - Fair and just legal system. Not laws that restrict my rights to own firearms or your right to smoke marijuana (not saying you do but using it as an example).

That's it....... nothing more nothing less. This nation fought a war against England for less reasons. Our current government is far more bloated and oppressive then the Mother Country.
Anarchy. I guarantee it. A Libertarian's ideal government (as little as possible) would conclude in anarchy. Maybe a Libertarian system would work in New Zealand, but not in a country as big as the United States. It NEEDS standards. It NEEDS to be all on the same level on a variety of issues, not just on those basic things.
This needs to end and it needs to end now. Because if it doesn't the USA will go the route of Greece, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, and every other country that is broke because of it's Socialist style government and programs. Europe is rolling back these policies while the USA is trying to go forward with it. We should earn from other people's mistakes.
If any country in the modern world could figure out how to make a hybrid government, it would be the United States. By the way, when I was in Italy about 3 months ago, the people were not living in squalor. I saw 1 homeless woman the entire time. That's walking around Rome, Milan, Venice, etc. One. That's it. They are not suffering in Italy. Now, it's been 2 years since I've been to France, but the conditions there weren't bad either. The standard of living was outrageous, but that's to be expected when the Euro was worth about 1.5 times more than the dollar. (But Europe is broke. LOLOL)
Insanity is doing some that doesn't work over and over and excepting it to work the next time your try it. That is the socialist policies that we the American population are pissed about. The people have spoken, just like they did in 2008.
Are you referring to Obama being elected President or the Democrat controlled House AND Senate? LOL

Rob, We have been down this road before. You simply CANNOT force people to be compassionate.

BTW ROB, Here is a link to an article that talks about liberal vs conservative giving habits.

http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2008/03/27/conservatives_really_are_more_compassionate

Maybe instead of ASSUMING that because you are liberal and give to charity, that all liberals have to be as compassionate as you. Sorry Rob but the facts don't seem to support you on this.

Curious to see how you are going to work this to blame it on Bush.
I'd like to see a source for his statements other than townhall.com (which is selling a book called "The Roots of Obama's Rage"?????).

I have posted articles proving by DNA (that didn't come from townhall.com) that liberals ARE SCIENTIFICALLY more compassionate than conservatives.

I'm curious to see how you're going to attempt to fight scientific fact. Unless of course you "just don't believe it" because it doesn't fit in your neat little bubble of ideology. :roll:
 
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I come from the school of thought that a higher level of education indicates a person is more likely to make the correct decision in a situation. All of my past CO's and most of my Chiefs had a college degree.

Correct decisions are made by those having intelligence, common sense, and life experiences. None of these require a college degree. While I understand your school of thought, I don`t agree with it. That doesn`t make me right or wrong, it`s just a differing philosophy. I`d love to see a congress made up of those that accurately portray the population of this country, but that will never happen.
 
Liberals can be more compassionate because they're spending other people's money(@ least when it's govt compassion payed for with tax $s)!
 
Because all of your money goes to exactly that.
To be frank, you have no idea what YOUR money goes to. You know that the government does ATTEMPT to take care of people like that, even though they may not need it or have any motivation to better their situation, but can you tell me exactly how much of your money specifically goes to those people.
THAT IS THE POINT ROB. The way our government spends money to too convoluted to answer that question accurately. But I will try.

Rob, Here is where the money comes from
The top 1 percent: Americans who earned an adjusted gross income of $410,096 or more accounted for 22.8 percent of all wages. But they paid 40.4 percent of total reported income taxes, an increase from 39.9 percent in 2006, according to the IRS.
The top 5 percent: Americans who earned $160,041 or more accounted for 37.4 percent of all wages in 2007. But they paid 60.6 percent of the country's total reported income taxes, up from 60.1 percent a year earlier.
The top 10 percent: Americans who earned at least $113,018 paid 71.2 percent of the nation's income taxes, up from 70.8 percent a year earlier.
The top 25 percent: Americans who earned at least $66,532 paid 86.6 percent of the nation's income taxes, up from 86.3 percent a year earlier.
The top 50 percent: Americans who earned at least $32,879 paid 97.1 percent of the nation's income taxes, up from 97 percent a year earlier.
The bottom 50 percent: Americans who earned less than $32,879 paid 2.9 percent of the nation's income taxes, down from 3 percent a year earlier.
Appears that the top 50% are expected to pay more every year and the bottom 50% are expected to pay less every year.

Here is where it goes:
Defense 19.85% (2010)
Healthcare 10.83% (2010)
Income Security 15.25% (2010)
Medicare 12.75% (2010)
Social Security 19.56% (2010)

By 2014:
Defense 90.45% of 2010 spending
Healthcare 109.73% of 2010 spending
Medicare 138.91% of 2010 spending
Income Security 94.37% of 2010 spending
Social Security 120.40% of 2010 spending
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_10.html#usgs302

The figures above are the estimated figures from the government.

Funny how even though half the population apparently doesn't pay taxes, yet the United States still exists... ???
Cops and firefighters DESERVE those retirement packages. At least I think they do. They put their lives on the line for a good portion of their lives... The absolute least I feel I can do is pay for them to live with some measure of comfort after they hang up their uniform... If I have to pay a little more taxes for them to do so, then I'm all for it.
How about veterans Rob. Don't you think THEY deserve more than 50% income after 20 years of service?

It's just like that 9/11 health care bill that *just* passed... Those first responders are the MOST deserving people of free health care for the rest of their lives... It BLEW ME AWAY that ANYONE could vote AGAINST them having it. I don't care HOW big the tax hike is, those people should never have to pay a DIME to a health insurance company or a doctor again.
Anarchy. I guarantee it. A Libertarian's ideal government (as little as possible) would conclude in anarchy. Maybe a Libertarian system would work in New Zealand, but not in a country as big as the United States. It NEEDS standards. It NEEDS to be all on the same level on a variety of issues, not just on those basic things.
If any country in the modern world could figure out how to make a hybrid government, it would be the United States. By the way, when I was in Italy about 3 months ago, the people were not living in squalor. I saw 1 homeless woman the entire time. That's walking around Rome, Milan, Venice, etc. One. That's it. They are not suffering in Italy. Now, it's been 2 years since I've been to France, but the conditions there weren't bad either. The standard of living was outrageous, but that's to be expected when the Euro was worth about 1.5 times more than the dollar. (But Europe is broke. LOLOL)

Are you referring to Obama being elected President or the Democrat controlled House AND Senate? LOL

I'd like to see a source for his statements other than townhall.com (which is selling a book called "The Roots of Obama's Rage"?????).
Rob, Did you even read the article? It refers to a study done by Syracuse professor Arthur C. Brooks, titled "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism."
Information:
Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate
Conservatism—America’s Charity Divide, Who Gives, Who
Doesn’t, and Why It Matters
Arthur C. Brooks. 2006. New York: Basic Books. ISBN: 13–978–0–465–
00821–6, $26.00.

I have posted articles proving by DNA (that didn't come from townhall.com) that liberals ARE SCIENTIFICALLY more compassionate than conservatives.
Not in this thread you didn't

I'm curious to see how you're going to attempt to fight scientific fact. Unless of course you "just don't believe it" because it doesn't fit in your neat little bubble of ideology. :roll:
 
Intelligence and life experiences.

Beg your pardon, I thought it obvious, since you don't need college to have common sense or a lack of it.
 
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