To all the liberals tonight....

[Chukpike]

I absolutely believe that the government is required to protect its citizens from ALL threats and not just that carry a gun or bomb. Poverty/unemployment is a threat, lack of a healthcare system is a threat, illiteracy is a threat, capitalism is a threat, inequality is a threat, organized crime is a threat, etc...

"capitalism is a threat" quote mmarsh

Been working well for over 200 years, built the largest economy the world has ever seen.
Capitalism is a threat? Spoken like a true socialist.:lol:
The US still chooses capitalism for it's economic base. It may not be perfect, but it beats the hell out of whatever is in second place.

 

[HokieMSG]

George, if the wealthiest people all over the world give back as much as you think they do, why is there still poverty? Don't you think if allll those movie stars and allll those athletes and allll those billionaire executives gave back a real chunk of their salaries, we would have enough money to at least greatly *diminish* poverty in the United States?

Do you want to know why there's still poverty? BECAUSE THE RICH DON'T CARE.

Side note: The Anarchist Movement is not dead. It just has a new name........

Rob,
The problem here is that the government is trying to fix a square peg in a round hole. Because government assistance programs reach out to as many people as possible they tend to be VERY inefficient and never really help the way they should.
I resent it when people EXPECT the government to clean up after some disaster.
I resent the government stepping in and telling banks they HAVE to loan money to unqualified individuals, then are forced to get involved when these same people can't make their payments. I have lived in my house for over 5 years, never missed a mortgage payment and I didn't get any money from the government when the banks were bailed out. I resent that I only borrowed what I expected I could pay back and people who borrowed way more than they could afford to pay back are helped out by the government. What's my motivation for continuing to pay my bills on time? So what if my credit gets wrecked, the government will help me out if I need help or not.

As to the standardized test scores. China really? We are expected to believe test scores reported by the Chinese government? I guess it is OK to ignore the repression of their citizens.

 

[mmarsh]

"capitalism is a threat" quote mmarsh

Been working well for over 200 years, built the largest economy the world has ever seen.
Capitalism is a threat? Spoken like a true socialist.:lol:
The US still chooses capitalism for it's economic base. It may not be the perfect, but it beats the hell out of whatever is in second place.

HA! Just how blind are you? Please preach the virtues of capitalism to the thousands who lost there job, home, livelihood the last few years due to the predatory nature of capitalism while Wall Street had one of the most profitable years ever this year. Yeah, capitalism been working real well...for a very small few, but in case you've been asleep the past 5 years its not been so good for the rest of us.

Not everyone has a trust fund or a 6-figure salary. Since the early 1980s Pure Capitalists such as yourself either still haven't realized this or have become so selfish they simply don't give a sh*t about anyone else. But by all means, convince the next GOP/conservative candidate in 2012 to run on the successes of 21 Century Capitalism. See how many votes you get outside of lower Manhattan, I absolutely promise you that the Democrats will love you for it.

The fact is pure capitalism is AS BAD as pure socialism, but since we don't have socialism in the USA thats why it wasn't on the previous list. Why is it bad? Because it promotes greed, selfishness and the desire of the powerful few to exploit the weaker many. Does this sound familiar? it should if you have been reading the newspaper. In my view, only a system that combines elements of both socialism and capitalism will work. Falling too far to either extreme is a recipe for disaster.

Only a blind sheep or someone profiting from the status quo would actually try and rationalize a bad economic system merely by its 200 year history, regardless of how bad the situation has become. And if echoing the obvious ills of capitalism makes me a socialist than so be. I'd rather be a "evil" socialist, than a blind old fool too stupid and ignorant to see hes getting screwed or someone so selfish they can only see as far as their own nose.

BTW other selfish societies like Louis XVI France and Czarist Russia both came to a very sticky end. You push a people too far, make them too desperate, and the almost certain backlash will hit you harder than a Tsunami.

 

[A Can of Man]

BTW other selfish societies like Louis XVI France and Czarist Russia both came to a very sticky end. You push a people too far, make them too desperate, and the almost certain backlash will hit you harder than a Tsunami.

I don't see it happening in this day and age.
We have too many things that help us "blow off steam" and go back into the BS.

 

[mmarsh]

I don't see it happening in this day and age.
We have too many things that help us "blow off steam" and go back into the BS.

I think its distinct possibility. The economic pie is only so big. Sooner or later the "haves" are going to get too greedy, its their nature. For most of them there is no such thing as "rich enough". That will be the spark.

A few more years of bumper wall street bonuses and very high unemployment and all bets are off. Already there are signs of people getting fed up of economic chasm between rich and poor and that gap keeps widening. In the short term, if we are still in a jobless recovery in 2012 someone is going to pay the price (who specifically depends how both parties play their cards), if in the long term there is no improvement the mob might get involved.

 

[A Can of Man]

I won't be holding my breath.
They will screw with us for as long as we want and when someone steps up to do anything, he's just going to be another "crazed gunman" on the 9 o'Clock news. We got more important things to do, like watch reality shows and try to become the next platinum selling rapper.

 

[George]

In a country this big, a large, involved national government is ESSENTIAL. The states are not countries unto themselves, they are STATES. They are not capable of running themselves completely. They need the federal government.

England didn't grant independance to the United States, but to independent Republics, they were countries unto themselves. They recognized that individually they were weak militarilily & economicly. They created the Fed. Govt.(instead of the other way around) and gave it limited power(power not given to the Fed. Govt. remains with the States) to conduct unified foriegn, monetary & military positions. They didn't want it sticking its fingers into everything.

George

Such as? Please state these programs you mention.

And its a really weak argument to state people are "suckers" because they don't happen to buy the BS you are selling. The painful truth to you is that Clinton left office a very popular president (about 60%), the guy after him who embraced the "limited government" ideology you embrace...much less popular.

And on that subject, "limited government" is a crock of bull. The largest governments to date have all been republican governments. The GOP believes in limited government only when its the Democrats who are in office, you don't hear them mention "limited government" when the conservatives are in office. Funny coincidence isn't it?

Whose the "sucker" George? The vast majority of the public who would kill to return to the Clinton era or someone like you who promotes a radical ideology without question that has proven time and time again to be totally wrong, and self-destructive. As for Ted going off the "deep end", you need to take a good look in the mirror. Even to establishment republicans your views would be considered nuts.

And COM is correct, your self-described paradise of a place with no government actually already exists its called Somalia. Is that what you have in mind for us? Thanks, we will pass.

During the Reagan Era the Dems found that people have a soft spot in the head when it comes to "children", so they packaged the "sales pitch" for as much as possible as "childrens programs". Recently one L.A. Dem had 23 yr old adults in her District declared "children" to qualify for some program in her District.(not to mention adults up to 26 qualify for children status for insurance coverage under ObamaCare). Then under Clinton "Invest" was the buzz word to sell the sales pitch for various programs. Clinton declared the Era of Big Govt. over, but...he greatly expanded Govt spending while the Reps focused on the narrowing deficit instead of expanded Govt spending. Clinton claimed to have reduced the Govt, but in reallity the number of Govt employees did drop, but in typical Democrat manner of cutting large number of military personnell while expanding employment in non defence segments of the govt. And no, I've said many times I wasn't happy with the spending of Big Govt Republicans that ran things in Congress & the White House during the Bush 2 Era. You're delusional if you think there's any real support for no govt. at all(somalia). And the only time you hear Dems talking about responcible spending is during elections.

By the way, George. Just a little tidbit for you to munch on till the morning... The latest standardized testing scores just came out... Wanna know who's on top in EVERY CATEGORY?

Shang Hai, China. But government involvement in education is bad, right?

Recent studies show a number of Asian counties testing above the US. Why is that? Probably don't have Liberal concepts like "social promotion", not worrying about the childs self esteem if pushed to achieve goals through hard work, ect. The studies showed that they go to school more days than here, so the knee jerk reaction was a call to increase the number of days in school instead of looking at curiculum. then it turned out that they go fewer hours a day than here, & total hours in a school year was LESS than here & no one said we should cut the number of hours. Just doesn't go with throwing money @ a problem.

HA! Just how blind are you? Please preach the virtues of capitalism to the thousands who lost there job, home, livelihood the last few years due to the predatory nature of capitalism while Wall Street had one of the most profitable years ever this year. Yeah, capitalism been working real well...for a very small few, but in case you've been asleep the past 5 years its not been so good for the rest of us.

Not everyone has a trust fund or a 6-figure salary. Since the early 1980s Pure Capitalists such as yourself either still haven't realized this or have become so selfish they simply don't give a sh*t about anyone else. But by all means, convince the next GOP/conservative candidate in 2012 to run on the successes of 21 Century Capitalism. See how many votes you get outside of lower Manhattan, I absolutely promise you that the Democrats will love you for it.

The fact is pure capitalism is AS BAD as pure socialism, but since we don't have socialism in the USA thats why it wasn't on the previous list. Why is it bad? Because it promotes greed, selfishness and the desire of the powerful few to exploit the weaker many. Does this sound familiar? it should if you have been reading the newspaper. In my view, only a system that combines elements of both socialism and capitalism will work. Falling too far to either extreme is a recipe for disaster.

Only a blind sheep or someone profiting from the status quo would actually try and rationalize a bad economic system merely by its 200 year history, regardless of how bad the situation has become. And if echoing the obvious ills of capitalism makes me a socialist than so be. I'd rather be a "evil" socialist, than a blind old fool too stupid and ignorant to see hes getting screwed or someone so selfish they can only see as far as their own nose.

There hasn't been Pure Capitalism here in many Decades &, like Anarchism, no one is talking about going back to the Robber Baron days. There are & always will be crooks. But the Liberals, pushing thier class warfare, make it harder & harder for the little people to get ahead. Like one article I read said...if you're lucky enough to find a million $ antique & decide to sell, depending on what State you live in, you'll be ripped off for apx. 50% of the value because suddenly your'e income puts you in the evil rich. Some States will tax you every year just for the privilige of owning something that valuable, all the result of mental midgit's anger @ the rich.

 

[Rob Henderson]

Rob,
The problem here is that the government is trying to fix a square peg in a round hole. Because government assistance programs reach out to as many people as possible they tend to be VERY inefficient and never really help the way they should.
I resent it when people EXPECT the government to clean up after some disaster.

Really? So who should have cleaned up after Katrina? You think the local sheriff's department was equipped enough to handle that? You think the State Troopah's uhf Luziana wuz ready fer som'n like dat dere?

NO. The federal government needed to get involved because the federal government was the only entity with the capabilities necessary to mount any sort of successful rescue/rebuilding operations. Now, the federal government was not managed well, thanks to the man who was elected president with a C- average from Yale, but that does not mean that the federal government shouldn't have run in to help.

I resent the government stepping in and telling banks they HAVE to loan money to unqualified individuals, then are forced to get involved when these same people can't make their payments. I have lived in my house for over 5 years, never missed a mortgage payment and I didn't get any money from the government when the banks were bailed out. I resent that I only borrowed what I expected I could pay back and people who borrowed way more than they could afford to pay back are helped out by the government. What's my motivation for continuing to pay my bills on time? So what if my credit gets wrecked, the government will help me out if I need help or not.

Hokie, you know how the effects of one presidency aren't really felt until the next president is in office?.... Yeah... About that.

But your motivation for paying bills on time is the pride that you don't need the government. You can go through life knowing that you lived responsibly without any help from anybody. You played by the rules and came out okay.

Trust me, if you try to live lavishly with no regard to financial responsibility and then can't pay it back, the government will find a way to screw you.

As to the standardized test scores. China really? We are expected to believe test scores reported by the Chinese government? I guess it is OK to ignore the repression of their citizens.

Pahahahahahahahaha!!! You think the Chinese government has to lie about their test scores?? Just look at Chinese immigrants to America! They excel in every category. They start physics in MIDDLE SCHOOL. They start teaching their children English as soon as they start school. They have consistently higher scores in math, science, and reading. Not only that, but they often outperform us in the arts. Asian students are the cream of the crop in music conservatories. When I went to Milan this past summer, and visited the Verdi Opera Conservatory, over HALF of the students were international. And guess where they came from... China. Japan. Korea.


Not saying China's government is perfect, as it is more of a testament to the culture's discipline, but it sure shows that government involvement is NOT always a bad thing.

England didn't grant independance to the United States, but to independent Republics, they were countries unto themselves. They recognized that individually they were weak militarilily & economicly. They created the Fed. Govt.(instead of the other way around) and gave it limited power(power not given to the Fed. Govt. remains with the States) to conduct unified foriegn, monetary & military positions. They didn't want it sticking its fingers into everything.

That was also 300 years ago. Give me a f**king break, George. You're smarter than that.

Recent studies show a number of Asian counties testing above the US. Why is that? Probably don't have Liberal concepts like "social promotion", not worrying about the childs self esteem if pushed to achieve goals through hard work, ect. The studies showed that they go to school more days than here, so the knee jerk reaction was a call to increase the number of days in school instead of looking at curiculum. then it turned out that they go fewer hours a day than here, & total hours in a school year was LESS than here & no one said we should cut the number of hours. Just doesn't go with throwing money @ a problem.

This response did nothing to refute my claims that government involvement is not always a bad thing....

 

[Chukpike]

"capitalism is a threat" quote mmarsh

Been working well for over 200 years, built the largest economy the world has ever seen.
Capitalism is a threat? Spoken like a true socialist.:lol:
The US still chooses capitalism for it's economic base. It may not be perfect, but it beats the hell out of whatever is in second place.

HA! Just how blind are you? Please preach the virtues of capitalism to the thousands who lost there job, home, livelihood the last few years due to the predatory nature of capitalism while Wall Street had one of the most profitable years ever this year. Yeah, capitalism been working real well...for a very small few, but in case you've been asleep the past 5 years its not been so good for the rest of us.

Not everyone has a trust fund or a 6-figure salary. Since the early 1980s Pure Capitalists such as yourself either still haven't realized this or have become so selfish they simply don't give a sh*t about anyone else. But by all means, convince the next GOP/conservative candidate in 2012 to run on the successes of 21 Century Capitalism. See how many votes you get outside of lower Manhattan, I absolutely promise you that the Democrats will love you for it.

The fact is pure capitalism is AS BAD as pure socialism, but since we don't have socialism in the USA thats why it wasn't on the previous list. Why is it bad? Because it promotes greed, selfishness and the desire of the powerful few to exploit the weaker many. Does this sound familiar? it should if you have been reading the newspaper. In my view, only a system that combines elements of both socialism and capitalism will work. Falling too far to either extreme is a recipe for disaster.

Only a blind sheep or someone profiting from the status quo would actually try and rationalize a bad economic system merely by its 200 year history, regardless of how bad the situation has become. And if echoing the obvious ills of capitalism makes me a socialist than so be. I'd rather be a "evil" socialist, than a blind old fool too stupid and ignorant to see hes getting screwed or someone so selfish they can only see as far as their own nose.

BTW other selfish societies like Louis XVI France and Czarist Russia both came to a very sticky end. You push a people too far, make them too desperate, and the almost certain backlash will hit you harder than a Tsunami.

You got all this from my statement? I even said US Capitalism may not be perfect. You turn that into:
"Pure Capitalists such as yourself either still haven't realized this or have become so selfish they simply don't give a sh*t about anyone else."

"Only a blind sheep or someone profiting from the status quo would actually try and rationalize a bad economic system merely by its 200 year history, regardless of how bad the situation has become."

"The fact is pure capitalism is AS BAD as pure socialism, but since we don't have socialism in the USA thats why it wasn't on the previous list."

Pretty bizarre post even for you. You live in France, a socialist leaning system, how is that working? Mass student riots and protests, transportation unions shutting down transportation. Government workers protesting because the socialist government can not deliver on promises to support the population with retirement programs.

You are like Nero. Sitting around in your adopted country fiddling, while your country burns down around you.

US does not have socialism? What are Medicare, Social Security, and President Obama's health plan?

 

[Rob Henderson]

Until you see socialism as more than just a stepping stone to communism (which is like saying alcohol is a gateway drug), you will never see why socialism can ever be a good thing.


Which is only a tribute to your sheer lack of compassion for others. But that's okay, Chukpike. You do what makes YOU happy. Because that's all that matters, right? You get yours and damn the rest. Right on. That's the REAL American dream.

 

[mmarsh]

Pretty bizarre post even for you. You live in France, a socialist leaning system, how is that working? Mass student riots and protests, transportation unions shutting down transportation. Government workers protesting because the socialist government can not deliver on promises to support the population with retirement programs.

If you actually turned off the TV and spent a one single year working in France you'd find out that the system works out pretty well. Your Nero comment once again exemplifies that your views are based on what you see on the media, NOT BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. If you really want to compare which country has the worse Social Upheval I will trade you 10 days of Paris Riots vs. 1 Day in South-Central LA.

Like most conservatives clinging to ignorance like a buoy, you focus your narrow minded opinion on the small 5-10 day window within a single year that France had of social turmoil as the example, but seemingly ignore the other 355 that were just fine. Again, want to compare the rioting in France to one night in a US ghetto?

Since I was actually there and you were not, I can tell you that the strikes and minor riots were only a minor annoyance and as a commuter you do learn to cope with it. Other than that its MUCH BETTER than what Capitalism in the US offers. The fact is, in my 12 years here no Frenchman I have ever met has wanted to copy the US social services system. However there are many Americans (officially on the left, who tend to be much better informed) that would like to copy the French one.

But I am sure you will know better than me, because some idiot on FOX told you so.

US does not have socialism? What are Medicare, Social Security, and President Obama's health plan?[/QUOTE]


BUZZ...SORRY WRONG ANSWER. ITS NOT SOCIALISM.

Well lets start with the definition of Socialism as you obviously don't know it

so·cial·ism (from Dictionary.com)   

1. a theory or system of social organization (meaning a government) that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

VERY SIMPLY, SOCIALISM IS WHEN A GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY CONTROLS A COUNTRIES ECONOMY, SPECIFICALLY PRODUCTION, and DISTRIBUTION. Social services offered to its citizens doesn't come under the DICTIONARY'S definition.

A true Socialist country would be like China or the old USSR. Companies that owned partially or fully owned by the government. Not even France is considered socialist anymore because of its privatization efforts the past 30 years (judging from your posts something else FOX didn't bother explaining to you).

To put it in even plainer english, How many factories does the US government own and manage? How many production centers or Distribution networks does it run? ZERO. So what I said was correct, there is no socialism except in a few very tiny instances (like the bank bailouts).

What you are describing are Social Service programs, which is NOT a definition of socialism.

 

[George]

That was also 300 years ago. Give me a f**king break, George. You're smarter than that.


This response did nothing to refute my claims that government involvement is not always a bad thing....

Speaking of math difficulties 2010 - 300 = 1710. So you're comfortable with ignoring the intent that things be done @ the State level & authorising the Federal Govt to take whatever actions it wants to @ any level? It has no business telling local govt what size letters to put on street signs(just 1 example of over reach).
I forgot to include in that the more Federal $s(with the $s comes rules, regulations, red tape, & interference) that have been poured into education, the faster the results have dropped.

 

[A Can of Man]

I forgot to include in that the more Federal $s(with the $s comes rules, regulations, red tape, & interference) that have been poured into education, the faster the results have dropped.

Actually that's not neccessarily a true correlation.
Education standards and whatnot have been going down for a while now. Putting money in the system isn't neccessarily going to help it (since it's a matter of how it's spent) but it's sure better than not putting any money in the system.
It's funny how you are against putting money into education. If the government is going to put money into one thing, that should be it.

 

[George]

Actually that's not neccessarily a true correlation.
Education standards and whatnot have been going down for a while now. Putting money in the system isn't neccessarily going to help it (since it's a matter of how it's spent) but it's sure better than not putting any money in the system.
It's funny how you are against putting money into education. If the government is going to put money into one thing, that should be it.

It depends, if federal money means watered down politicaly correct revisionist distortions, perhaps not. Plus the already mentioned nutty things like self esteem programs that coddle kids that seem to come out of D.C. Also overcapitalisation of education @ College levels is turning College into Grades 13-16. Instead of a few getting excellent education web have large numbers getting mediocre high cost extra education.

 

[Chukpike]

Which is only a tribute to your sheer lack of compassion for others. But that's okay, Chukpike. You do what makes YOU happy. Because that's all that matters, right? You get yours and damn the rest. Right on. That's the REAL American dream.

"Which is only a tribute to your sheer lack of compassion for others. But that's okay, Chukpike. You do what makes YOU happy." cries Rob Henderson :crybaby:

Here a true liberal revels his stripes. A sanctimonious, judge mental, holier than thou, self congratulatory jack-off. Judging someone based on what?

In truth you have no idea what kind of compassion I have for others. I have been donating blood since 1969. That is three times longer than you have been alive. I don't donate as often as I can but I have donated gallons. As a member of the VFW I have donated countless hours of time to programs supporting education, community service, and service to veterans. (Donating money is easier than giving up time, you should try it sometime). I do donate money to groups and charities of my choice and how much is none of your business. I have even worked on a local Habitat for Humanity house.

Being conservative or a capitalist does not preclude people from helping, taking care of your family before others, does not keep someone from helping others.


"A total of 57 billionaires now have joined The Giving Pledge, which was launched by Microsoft founder Gates and investor Buffett in June. The campaign announced the new pledges in a statement late on Wednesday."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B818R20101209

Do Carl Icahn, Michael Milken, or T Boone Pickens seem like liberals? They have pledged to give away over half their fortunes to charity.

You can go to The giving Pledge to learn more.
http://givingpledge.org/#enter

Robbie the amount you really know about others would easily fit on the head of a pin.:lol::lol:

Should be careful about your posts. The more you post, the more I agree with you and ACOM about how much the educational system has collapsed.:lol:

 

[Rob Henderson]

"Which is only a tribute to your sheer lack of compassion for others. But that's okay, Chukpike. You do what makes YOU happy."

Here a true liberal revels his stripes. A sanctimonious, judge mental, holier than thou, self congratulatory jack-off. Judging someone based on what?

Heh. Hard to take someone seriously when they spell judge mental as two words. But props on the "sanctimonious" being spelled correctly. That probably took some time to look up on Webster's. But you're right. I'm only forming my opinions on you based on the interactions we've had over the internet. If you want to change my opinion, I suggest you change the way you post. You do NOT give off an air of compassion. You do NOT give off an air of caring about anyone in any way, shape, or form. You do NOT give of an air of levelheadedness. You DO give off the air of someone who loves to hear themselves talk (or type). You DO give off the air of someone who loves to play Devil's Advocate just for kicks. You DO give off the air that you're the type of person who loves being annoying and getting under people's skin.

But, again, that's just what I get from the internet. So forgive me if I seem skeptical of the rest of this post.

In truth you have no idea what kind of compassion I have for others. I have been donating blood since 1969. That is three times longer than you have been alive. I don't donate as often as I can but I have donated gallons. As a member of the VFW I have donated countless hours of time to programs supporting education, community service, and service to veterans. (Donating money is easier than giving up time, you should try it sometime). I do donate money to groups and charities of my choice and how much is none of your business. I have even worked on a local Habitat for Humanity house.

Awh. You give blood. That takes so much effort on your part. You're right. I completely misjudged you, Chukpike. You CLEARLY have a heart 3 sizes too big. :roll:

By the way, as you countlessly remind me, I am a student. As such, I do not have the ability to donate as much money as I would like. So my main charitable asset IS time. I'd copy and paste my resumé, but I think it would put me over the character limit, AND I'm not a "self-congratulating jack off" (which has a hyphen, for the record).

Being conservative or a capitalist does not preclude people from helping, taking care of your family before others, does not keep someone from helping others.

Quite true, but taking care of yourself before anyone else DOES tend to keep someone from helping others. And THAT is what these hard-line, right-wing Republicans advocate when they throw their little hissy fits every time money gets brought up. "It's my money, I shouldn't have to give it to someone who's just going to waste it on booze and drugs." "I'm not giving a cent to those parasitic @$$ holes who don't contribute anything to society other than bastard children and sexually-transmitted diseases." (Those are direct quotes, by the way. Not from this site, but from others.)

"A total of 57 billionaires now have joined The Giving Pledge, which was launched by Microsoft founder Gates and investor Buffett in June. The campaign announced the new pledges in a statement late on Wednesday."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B818R20101209

Do Carl Icahn, Michael Milken, or T Boone Pickens seem like liberals? They have pledged to give away over half their fortunes to charity.

You can go to The giving Pledge to learn more.
http://givingpledge.org/#enter

Robbie the amount you really know about others would easily fit on the head of a pin.:lol::lol:

Should be careful about your posts. The more you post, the more I agree with you and ACOM about how much the educational system has collapsed.:lol:

Oh yes, Michael Milken is the SHINING example of a model citizen. ROFLMAO

"Milken was indicted on 98 counts of racketeering and securities fraud in 1989 as the result of an insider trading investigation."

I suppose it's easy to give away half your fortune when you broke the law to obtain it. If I robbed a bank and then gave half the money away, you're telling me you wouldn't hold the robbery against me???

 

[Chukpike]

Heh. Hard to take someone seriously when they spell judge mental as two words. But props on the "sanctimonious" being spelled correctly. That probably took some time to look up on Webster's. But you're right. I'm only forming my opinions on you based on the interactions we've had over the internet. If you want to change my opinion, I suggest you change the way you post. You do NOT give off an air of compassion. You do NOT give off an air of caring about anyone in any way, shape, or form. You do NOT give of an air of levelheadedness. You DO give off the air of someone who loves to hear themselves talk (or type). You DO give off the air of someone who loves to play Devil's Advocate just for kicks. You DO give off the air that you're the type of person who loves being annoying and getting under people's skin.

But, again, that's just what I get from the internet. So forgive me if I seem skeptical of the rest of this post.
Awh. You give blood. That takes so much effort on your part. You're right. I completely misjudged you, Chukpike. You CLEARLY have a heart 3 sizes too big. :roll:

By the way, as you countlessly remind me, I am a student. As such, I do not have the ability to donate as much money as I would like. So my main charitable asset IS time. I'd copy and paste my resumé, but I think it would put me over the character limit, AND I'm not a "self-congratulating jack off" (which has a hyphen, for the record).
Quite true, but taking care of yourself before anyone else DOES tend to keep someone from helping others. And THAT is what these hard-line, right-wing Republicans advocate when they throw their little hissy fits every time money gets brought up. "It's my money, I shouldn't have to give it to someone who's just going to waste it on booze and drugs." "I'm not giving a cent to those parasitic @$$ holes who don't contribute anything to society other than bastard children and sexually-transmitted diseases." (Those are direct quotes, by the way. Not from this site, but from others.)


Oh yes, Michael Milken is the SHINING example of a model citizen. ROFLMAO

"Milken was indicted on 98 counts of racketeering and securities fraud in 1989 as the result of an insider trading investigation."

I suppose it's easy to give away half your fortune when you broke the law to obtain it. If I robbed a bank and then gave half the money away, you're telling me you wouldn't hold the robbery against me???

"(Those are direct quotes, by the way. Not from this site, but from others.)" quote Rob Henderson

No Rob they are not. A direct quote would be italicized and given credit to the author. You just posted something you heard are read with out credit to the author, in other words plagiarism. A direct quote would have the source with a link so we could verify what was said.

"Milken was indicted on 98 counts of racketeering and securities fraud in 1989 as the result of an insider trading investigation." quote Rob Henderson.

Exactly my point, even a greedy crook can donate, compassion and helping people is not exclusive to liberals.

Cracks me up you resort to checking spelling and punctuation when you have been caught with your pants down in some of your silly statements.

"I'm only forming my opinions on you based on the interactions we've had over the internet." quote Rob Henderson

No kidding.:lol::lol: ROTFLMAO:lol:

Not very tolerant of someone who claims to be a compassionate liberal, where is your understanding and tolerance towards us lessor beings.:lol::lol:

"Awh. You give blood. That takes so much effort on your part." quote Rob Henderson

I doubt you would know how much effort it takes, you would have had to do it once to find out.:roll:

If it takes so little effort and ease, why do so few people do it? :smile:

 

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When you see this debate from the outside then I think that it gives a good picture of the U.S. today. It´s like a ship sinking and you use your time to discuss who is responsible for the holes in the hull instead of working together to stop the water that threatens to sink the ship.

Just my observation but American policy also differs in many ways from European politics. But I just don´t think that you have the time or the money to pursue this path anymore and Europe can´t afford that the USA goes down.

 

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