Al-Qaeda-linked force captures Fallujah amid rise in violence in Iraq - Page 2




 
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January 5th, 2014  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Again you show your lack of knowledge about Al Qaeda. Adel Abdul Jalil Batterjee wrote the book : al-Ansar al-Arab fi Afghanistan. Here you will find the reason and how Al Qaeda was founded. What Bin laden (cover name Abu Abdallah), Julaidan (cover name Abul-Hasan) and Azzam did. In short, they went to Afganistan to fight the Russians and after their defeat they began preparations for a worldwide caliphat. If they could beat the Russians they surely could beat the decadent west. If it was about the "Palestinian" conflict Al Qaeda wouldn't be fighting in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, North Africa, Somalia and other countries but in Israel.
Iraq, Afghanistan Pakistan are involved due to their being listed as training and/or supporting countries for Al Qaeda after 9/11, since that time Al Quaeda have attempted to expand their influence in the hope of unifying all Muslim countries against the US and her supporters, unfortunately their interference was not well received.
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The early Arab uprisings offered a glimpse of precisely how al Qaeda could ultimately be defeated. The successful popular uprisings against authoritarian secular regimes left little space for a would-be revolutionary vanguard. That Islamists of various stripes participated in those uprisings should be seen as a slap in the face to al Qaeda's claims to leadership. While bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and many Salafi-jihadist writers tried to put a brave face on it, the reality was that al Qaeda struggled enormously to justify its stances in the early days of the Arab uprisings. - See more at: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article....97i2tSks.dpuf
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Syria, Russia
Neither were instigated by Al Qaeda and neither constitute a significant Terror attack. Both are civil wars instigated locally against oppression in one case against the ruling Baath party and in the other against Russian Rule in Chechnya.
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The Syrian Civil War, also known as the Syrian Uprising[79] or the Syrian Crisis (Arabic: الأزمة السورية‎),[80] is an ongoing armed conflict in Syria between forces loyal to the Ba'ath government and those seeking to oust it. The unrest began on 15 March 2011, with popular protests that grew nationwide by April 2011. These protests were part of the wider Middle Eastern protest movement known as the Arab Spring. Protesters demanded the resignation of President Bashar al-Assad, whose family has held the presidency in Syria since 1971, as well as the end of Ba'ath Party rule, which began in 1963.
January 6th, 2014  
Easy-8
 
 

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Originally Posted by senojekips
Life goes back tens of thousands of years if you want to take that approach,.... but it has nothing directly to do with the rise of Al Qaeda or the sudden rise in Global Islamic fundamentalism, as does the US support of Israel's war crimes in Palestine.
my point is that this is the most recent war in a series of wars spanning back over centuries and centuries. AQ was born in Afghanistan in the fires of the war with the USSR. And it went after us for our violation of Islam's most sarced land - Arabia.

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If you don't believe this, tell me one country not aligned with the US that has suffered any significant Al Qaeda based terror threat.
Syria, Russia (not to mention the old USSR), Libya and oh yes Iran.
January 6th, 2014  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by Easy-8
my point is that this is the most recent war in a series of wars spanning back over centuries and centuries. AQ was born in Afghanistan in the fires of the war with the USSR. And it went after us for our violation of Islam's most sarced land - Arabia.
somewhere along the line you have diverged from my original statement about Global Islamic Terror and it's cause, to concentrating on Al Qaeda. They are only new comers and did not even get involved until after the end of the Russian/Afghan conflict by which time Islamic fundamentalism had been uniting the Muslim world for close to 20 years.
Incidentally it was not US bases in Saudi Arabia that bought Al Qaeda about either, AQ had been operating for several years when the Saudis knocked back Bin Laden's offer of help.

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Syria, Russia (not to mention the old USSR), Libya and oh yes Iran.
Internal squabbles at worst, civil wars at best, little to do with Global Islamic terror with maybe the exception of Russia and they are guilty of the same sins as the US interfering in things that are none of their business.
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January 6th, 2014  
hamidreza
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Obama told the whole world he had defeated them. It was a lie for politcal reasons. Romney was right all the time.

Bush jumped into a well without knowing how deep it was. Obama doesn't even know what a well is.

Obama is the one who is losing the war on terror because he doesn't know (or refuses to know) what Al Qaeda stands for. Watch Afganistan when the Americans leave, it will become Taliban country again. All the American sacrifices for what?
Unlike you I think Obama is a wise person. He did what he should. After 12 years the US people should be understood war doen't have any benefit for them in the ME. What are the advantages of war against Afghanistan and Iraq for them? Nothing. If they didn't start these two war, they could control Iran much better with Saddam in the west and Taliban in the east of Iran borders.


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The US is at the front in Afghanistan and Africa. Our troops also built the Iraqi military from the ground up. And how is Iran fighting AQ?
Be sure it is Quds Army from Iran who is managing the war against AQ in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. If AQ in Syria and Iraq hadn't been supported by Gulf states and west including the US ( directly and indirectly), they would have defeated in the first months. After 3 years you should be understood that the free army is/was a joke. On the other hand all of you are fighting against Taliban who is almost alone ( except that 500,000 $ earning from drug trade ) but you haven't been successful in your war yet.
January 6th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
Iraq, Afghanistan Pakistan are involved due to their being listed as training and/or supporting countries for Al Qaeda after 9/11, since that time Al Quaeda have attempted to expand their influence in the hope of unifying all Muslim countries against the US and her supporters, unfortunately their interference was not well received.
I can live with that reply.

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Neither were instigated by Al Qaeda and neither constitute a significant Terror attack. Both are civil wars instigated locally against oppression in one case against the ruling Baath party and in the other against Russian Rule in Chechnya.
You were not talking about instigating an attack but about a terror threat.

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Originally Posted by senojekips View Post
Life goes back tens of thousands of years if you want to take that approach,.... but it has nothing directly to do with the rise of Al Qaeda or the sudden rise in Global Islamic fundamentalism, as does the US support of Israel's war crimes in Palestine.

If you don't believe this, tell me one country not aligned with the US that has suffered any significant Al Qaeda based terror threat.
There definitely is a Al Qaeda related terror thread in both Syria and Russia.
Russia bombings raise questions about Sochi Olympics security
"Rarely do you actually have a terrorist group come out and say, 'We're going to try and disrupt these games,'" CNN national security analyst Fran Townsend said Monday. "When al Qaeda-related affinity groups make these sort of statements, you've got to take them at their word."

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Originally Posted by senojekips
somewhere along the line you have diverged from my original statement about Global Islamic Terror and it's cause, to concentrating on Al Qaeda. They are only new comers and did not even get involved until after the end of the Russian/Afghan conflict by which time Islamic fundamentalism had been uniting the Muslim world for close to 20 years.
Incidentally it was not US bases in Saudi Arabia that bought Al Qaeda about either, AQ had been operating for several years when the Saudis knocked back Bin Laden's offer of help.
Bin Laden was involved in the war against Russia from 1978 on when he went to Pakistan to help the Mujahideen logistically and financially. From 1984 he actually joined them in the fighting. Organized traing camps which led to the name Al Qaeda.
Islamic fundamentalism started in the 7th century with Mohammed. He wanted then what Al Qaeda wants now.

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Originally Posted by hamidreza
Unlike you I think Obama is a wise person. He did what he should. After 12 years the US people should be understood war doen't have any benefit for them in the ME. What are the advantages of war against Afghanistan and Iraq for them? Nothing. If they didn't start these two war, they could control Iran much better with Saddam in the west and Taliban in the east of Iran borders.
You can't fight ideology with a military war. You fight it in the classroom. Education. Obama is very smart...as a lawyer. He did not have any experience in governing when he came to power. Like someone once said, he is not even able to organize a two car motorcade.
 


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