Aircraft Carrier is obsolete as a modern Weapon - Page 10




 
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January 5th, 2010  
splat
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfen
Well if there's no drugs involved in your posts, then you have to be one of two things drunk or so out of touch I can't say the word or I will get a temp ban from here.

pissing contest over
January 10th, 2010  
George
 
Linky A short article.
January 10th, 2010  
wolfen
 
Well George, at least you can supply a source ( unliek some people) but my argument has never been about their invulnerability, My argument is weather or not they are obsolete. Granted a Aircraft Carrier IS a slow moving target, but at least its moving, which makes it harder to hit that a ship that is docked and moored to the pier. BUT any ship, station,. aircraft or anything else on the earth can be destroyed, but obsolete is one thing the Aircraft will NOT be until the U.S.S Enterprise ( NX-01) leaves the ISS on her maiden voyage with Capt Archer in command.
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January 10th, 2010  
Chukpike
 
I would assume aircraft carriers will be obsolete when an operational commander looks at a display of the forces arrayed against him, notices a couple of aircraft carrier battle groups, and gives an order to ignore them.
January 11th, 2010  
wolfen
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chukpike
I would assume aircraft carriers will be obsolete when an operational commander looks at a display of the forces arrayed against him, notices a couple of aircraft carrier battle groups, and gives an order to ignore them.
If that's an enemy commander I'd assume he is an idiot
January 13th, 2010  
Korean Seaboy
 
 

Topic: Agree, and disagree


Well, yes the Aircraft Carrier is kind of obsolete, yet not completely. There will be an age when the AC is outdated and powerless. I believe that age will come soon. Yet, the AC is still a superior ship. Also, I believe that battleships have been grossly underrated. The battleship is still worth a lot. What if a mega-ship is invented as a part-battleship and part Aircraft Carrier? That'll be cool, like with a platform for the aircraft and some buildings with turrets scattered around.
January 13th, 2010  
-- Dusty
 
 
The logistics of missiles versus cannons is interesting. I would presume that missiles are far safer, where as the inability to intercept a 16" shell when compared to a Tomahawk makes it an attractive weapon. Then the cost of the ammo, the cost of personnel, etc.
February 11th, 2010  
AVON
 

Topic: Re: Aircraft Carrier is obsolete as a modern Weapon


While some people cry the aircraft carrier is obsolete, what do they propose to provide air defense for surface units? Only a carrier can provide comprehensive air defense. Where as aegis, PAAMS, etc. are a improvement over previous air defense ships, still they do not provide the protection a carrier of any type provides.

The new ballistic missiles being used as weapons against carriers, how are they system able to lock-on to the carrier, are the Prowlers/Growlers on the decks or in the air? Are the escorts providing any EW protection? If these two groups are providing protection, putting a missile into a carrier will be damn tough.
February 11th, 2010  
nero1234
 

Topic: Aircraft Carriers Aren't Obsolete Just Old Fashioned


Don't know why the debate about whether or not a ballistic missile can hit a carrier or not is even coming up. Who wants to use a ballistic missile for the purpose? Haven't you chaps been following developments. The new kid on the block, although not so new really, is the high velocity, nuclear capable, cruise missile. The current generations are supersonic, but the BrahMos joint venture expects to have the hypersonic version up and running in now less than 3 years.
Sorry, Aegis just isn't up to it anymore. America's Carrier Battle Groups are already over exposed to the supersonic versions of these systems, If America doesn't come up with practical countermeasures to super/hyper-sonic cruise missiles in the short term, you're going to be out of the picture before the paint hits the canvas and once the paint has dried, there is not likley to be anybody around capable of giving the painting a touch up.
There are practical alternatives, but rail guns are not one of them.
NERO1234
February 11th, 2010  
nero1234
 
Hi Mike,
Guess you aren't aware of the Russian Kiev Class Heavy Aviation Cruisers, huh?
China is putting one of the two they have back into commission and a third is undergoing refit and modernisation in a Russian yard prior to handing over to India.
NERO1234
 


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