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Damien435

Damien435

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Ok, as some of you may know I was a former Army DEPer but what kicked out when I tore the ACL in my left knee. Since it was looking like my knee would never be to the point where I could re-enlist I appled to a college in the area, I should be taking ROTC there this fall, but here's the problem. Since being accepted to college I have found out how against joining the Army many of my friends and family were, this has pissed me off to a degree I have rarely been to, last time when I found out I had torn my ACL. What really did it was when I was told "I didn't think you were cut out for the military anyways." I have no interest in going to college, it is school, I ****ing hate school, it is a ridiculous concept that just does not work for me. Most people I know who have college degrees I hate because they think the world revolves around them because they got a four year degree from South Dakota State University, which is IMO one step up from CC. The best way I could tell these people to **** off and let them know how I truly feel is to go re-enlist next week, which is what I would prefer to do anyways. What do you guys think I should do? Go through with the next four years of college and become what I despise or say "F it all" and re-enlist?

I really don't want to go to college, at least not in South Dakota. If you haven't lived here I don't see how you could understand how much I hate it. SD might be a great place to visit, but it sucks living here.
 
I don't like beating a dead horse friend. Education is key. Many of the high paying jobs require you to have a degree of some kind.

Not to mention that once you have a 4 year degree your knee will be well healed and you may be able to go through officer training.
 
Rhodes is right, get your education. You may hate school (and trust me, I understand, I'm not a fan of academia myself) but the education itself is worth the hassle. Never knock it.

I don't know when you tore your ACL, but that's not an injury you want to play around with. The risk of another injury could completely ruin your chances at ever serving. So take it easy, make sure you've taken the proper steps. I wouldn't even think about enlisting until you've spoken with your Dr. about it.

Don't look at it with such a bad and negative attitude. That's a huge reason people fail in life. Stay positive and determined regardless of what you have to do to accomplish your goals. Remember, it's just a side road. When you finish you'll have a lot more doors open to you than you do now, in the civilian world and in the military. You'll be able to enlist or go to OCS. I never wanted to be an officer even though I have a degree, but at least the option was there. Options are good.

If you don't want to go to college in SD, look in to other schools. There are always other choices. From online schools to out of state schools. I would go on and go to school until you can transfer, though, it is better to do something than nothing

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Dont know how it works in the U.S. but if you hate school then what about an apprenticeship in some technical field.
Sure for the first year or so you'll be low paid and will probably only learn how to make coffee and run errands but eventually you'll gain your new skills via hands on experience(although only getting a low wage).
I have no qualifications on paper but by doing the above(and working hard at it) ,I now am one of the leading experts in my field and my company is even called in by various Government agencies as well as the British Army and specialist police units.
School is the easiest route to success but not the only one.
I dont know how old you are or how long you expect for that injury to heal but if you have buckets of time ahead then you've got another option.
 
Sven, There are plenty of 2 year Colleges scattered in just about every State. You can choose a technical field and stop at 2 years or take courses that will transfer to a 4 year school and finish up, that's what most of us did right out of the Service to use out GI bill. You've got to finish at least 2 years, minimum.
 
Marinerhodes said:
I don't like beating a dead horse friend. Education is key. Many of the high paying jobs require you to have a degree of some kind.

Not to mention that once you have a 4 year degree your knee will be well healed and you may be able to go through officer training.
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I agree do not drop out it will be just harder on ya in the real world I would just keep at it till your knee heals up and go on from there.
 
I don't give a damn about money, I have never had any and never will, I have already resigned myself with that fact and really couldn't give a shit, in all honesty. Besides, my knee has already healed and my doctor said I can do whatever I want, go to basic, ROTC, whatever, it is my choice.

Money only causes problems, no money no problems.
 
edjimication is what yous needs. Get huked on fonics it helped my!


Better off enlisting first then going to college, and using the FTA and GI Bill moola to go with.
 
Ask yourself a more basic question: do you enjoy leadership and responsibility? Do you like being a "role model" and having people look up to you? If so, get through college on an ROTC scholarship -- who says you have to stay in SD? You'll come out as an officer, and you'll lead troops; you can be a mentor to them.

As for money -- trust me, you'll never have too much in the military, even as an officer. It's not like they're paying me $250,000 a year as an O-3.
 
Any way that you slice it or dice it, to get ahead in the world you will need an education.

In the military you will be sent to schools to learn this and that where it may apply to your MOS.

But what about when you get out of the military? You may feel totally different about it a few years from now. Then you will do like I have done, kick yourself in the hindparts and wish like heck you had jumped at the chance to get an education when it presented itself the first time.

I now have to jump through more than a few hoops and do more than a little studying just to get myself up to par just to be able to take entrance exams. Knowledge unused is knowledge most often lost.

You can get an education while serving in the military. It is more difficult but it can be done.
 
AJChenMPH said:
Ask yourself a more basic question: do you enjoy leadership and responsibility? Do you like being a "role model" and having people look up to you? If so, get through college on an ROTC scholarship -- who says you have to stay in SD? You'll come out as an officer, and you'll lead troops; you can be a mentor to them.
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You can do all of that as an enlisted man as well. One doesn't have to be an officer to be a leader and role model.

As for money -- trust me, you'll never have too much in the military, even as an officer. It's not like they're paying me $250,000 a year as an O-3.
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Maybe not, but the money isn't bad. I'm enlisted (granted, I most likely have far more years than you, plus my special pays) and I make more than most O-3s when all is said and done. :mrgreen:

I don't give a damn about money, I have never had any and never will, I have already resigned myself with that fact and really couldn't give a shit, in all honesty. Besides, my knee has already healed and my doctor said I can do whatever I want, go to basic, ROTC, whatever, it is my choice.

Money only causes problems, no money no problems.
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You'll give a damn about money when you need it to feed your family. No money equals a great deal of problems. You don't need to be wealthy to live a happy life, but I'll tell you right now, you DO need money unless you plan on building your house on borrowed land, with materials you can gather from the forrest, hunting for your own food, or treating your own medical conditions.

You are right, it is your choice, but you also asked for advice, and some guys that have walked where you are gonna walk have told you their views on your situation based on their own personal experiences.

If you are healed, your Dr. has given you the go and you are positive you want to enlist, why bother asking for advice/opinions? You can do fine in life if you enlist, my career has been outstanding, but I've also gotten my education during my time in the military because without it, a) I wouldn't be where I am now and b) when retirement comes my options would be limited.

Enlist now or later, but do get your education.
 
A life is a terrible thing to throw away......

Damien435


FIRST YOU SAID:
Ok, as some of you may know I was a former Army DEPer but what kicked out when I tore the ACL in my left knee. Since it was looking like my knee would never be to the point where I could re-enlist I appled to a college in the area, I should be taking ROTC there this fall, but here's the problem. Since being accepted to college I have found out how against joining the Army many of my friends and family were, this has pissed me off to a degree I have rarely been to, last time when I found out I had torn my ACL. What really did it was when I was told "I didn't think you were cut out for the military anyways." I have no interest in going to college, it is school, I ****ing hate school, it is a ridiculous concept that just does not work for me. Most people I know who have college degrees I hate because they think the world revolves around them because they got a four year degree from South Dakota State University, which is IMO one step up from CC. The best way I could tell these people to **** off and let them know how I truly feel is to go re-enlist next week, which is what I would prefer to do anyways. What do you guys think I should do? Go through with the next four years of college and become what I despise or say "F it all" and re-enlist?

I really don't want to go to college, at least not in South Dakota. If you haven't lived here I don't see how you could understand how much I hate it. SD might be a great place to visit, but it sucks living here.
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THEN YOU SAID:
I don't give a damn about money, I have never had any and never will, I have already resigned myself with that fact and really couldn't give a shit, in all honesty. Besides, my knee has already healed and my doctor said I can do whatever I want, go to basic, ROTC, whatever, it is my choice
Money only causes problems, no money no problems.
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JUST MY OPINION ...

I can't remember reading so much BS in one or two postings in a long time ... stay out of the military ... we don't need some self centered individual being responsible for another warrior ... there are enough ways out in the real world that can easily kill an individual without having someone that doesn't give a shit adding to them.

Based upon your comments about education it appears that you are willing to remain just as ignorant (or stupid) as possible ... education is never wasted and learning never stops unless your mind has atrophied and your mind is closed to anything new. Many of us try to learn one new thing every day. There's nothing wrong with flipping hamburgers ... but ... if this is all you aim for ... this is all you will ever be good for. As far as the money, I hope you never find yourself in a financial difficulty when a son, daughter or your wife need a life saving operation or when you are unable to pay your bills and find yourself and family out on the street without shelter, food or medical help. There are many fine men and women who are living on the street because life played a cruel trick on them - you could end up joining them.

As was stated ... EDUCATION=$MONEY$.

Of course, if you continue wending your way through life with as shitty an attitude as you have shown in this thread ... chances are you will never find yourself in either of those situations ... a woman will never wish to share a life with a man who doesn't take supporting her and children seriously.

IT IS MY EARNEST WISH THAT WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED IS NOT REALLY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT LIFE - YOUR LIFE WILL BE A VERY VERY LONELY ONE IF IT IS SO.
 
PJ24 said:
You can do all of that as an enlisted man as well. One doesn't have to be an officer to be a leader and role model.
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Absolutely, but it usually takes a few years to become a mid- to senior-NCO, whereas you're an officer straight out of college. Even though every NCO worth his/her salt knows not to trust a butter-bar straight out of OCS or college, sometimes a younger enlisted person may listen to an O-1 or O-2 and take what they say under consideration (though if they're smart, they'll double-check with an NCO to make sure the butter-bar doesn't have his head up his a$$ :D ).
 
AJChenMPH said:
Absolutely, but it usually takes a few years to become a mid- to senior-NCO, whereas you're an officer straight out of college. Even though every NCO worth his/her salt knows not to trust a butter-bar straight out of OCS or college, sometimes a younger enlisted person may listen to an O-1 or O-2 and take what they say under consideration (though if they're smart, they'll double-check with an NCO to make sure the butter-bar doesn't have his head up his a$$ :D ).
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No worries AJ, we NCOs usually get to the troops before you officers do just to make sure they know to check with us. :-D

As for Chiefbones: You said a mouthful and then some brother. I totally agree.
 
AJChenMPH said:
Absolutely, but it usually takes a few years to become a mid- to senior-NCO, whereas you're an officer straight out of college. Even though every NCO worth his/her salt knows not to trust a butter-bar straight out of OCS or college, sometimes a younger enlisted person may listen to an O-1 or O-2 and take what they say under consideration (though if they're smart, they'll double-check with an NCO to make sure the butter-bar doesn't have his head up his a$$ :D ).
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How come that comment (in bold) always sends shivers up my spine? :lol:

The thing about being a role model is you have to earn it, no college degree will ever make someone respect you. It is the same with being a leader, rank doesn't automatically make you one.

And you are right, sir, no NCO worth his salt would ever let his butter bar run things without a tight leash. O-1/2s are just E-1-3s with better writing skills (in APA format.) :mrgreen:








 
You guys crack me up. :mrgreen:

So one of our contractors is a retired Special Forces O-5, and here's a direct quote: "What are the two scariest things a 2nd Lt. can say?

"1. Well, sir, based on my experience...

"2. Hey, sir, watch this!"

:lol:
 
AJChenMPH said:
You guys crack me up. :mrgreen:

So one of our contractors is a retired Special Forces O-5, and here's a direct quote: "What are the two scariest things a 2nd Lt. can say?

"1. Well, sir, based on my experience...

"2. Hey, sir, watch this!"
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:lol: Yeah, we always say the two scariest phrases you'll hear in the US military:

From a Pvt: "Hey ya'll, check this sh*t out!"

From a 2nd Lt: "Well, it's been my experience"

 
You dont know how lucky you are to be accepted into a college so make it work for you.

Be part of the solution not the problem.
 
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