AH-64D Apache - Page 2




 
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January 22nd, 2005  
Chinaman
 
the apache is a good helicopter, hell its the best attack heli

i fail to see the american's points

i think the us army is too confident with iraqis, although iraqis isnt a very good fighting force

us army forgot the basics of combined arms doctine, apparently having all apaches aginist tank convoy isn't as effective as a land, air combined force
January 22nd, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleStrike
Why did they cancel that Comanche chopper again?
Also don't the Russians have a helo that rivals the apache. They showed it on 10 deadliest attack helicopters or something on discovery.
First off, the chopper is exorbantly expensive, I believe the final figure was $52 million each. But not only that, the chopper is obsolete. It was origionally designed in the late 80s as a reconnaissance helicopter for East Europe, now our reconnaisance can be done by a $100,000 UAV that doesn't even have a man in it, so no need for stealth. The Comanche couldn't be modified into a primarily attack role because it couldn't carry much weaponry because they had to be tucked inside the body of the chopper. Sure it looked cool, but it was impractical.

To give you an idea of how expensive the project became, the army is planning to buy 800 aircraft and upgrade 400 more with the diverted Comanche funds.
January 23rd, 2005  
EagleZtrike
 
 
Aha i get your point! I didn't neccesarily like the comanche anyways. Nice putting the extra funding into good use!
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January 23rd, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
"Any artillery piece and a lot of things are in shreds."

Thanks, 13th Redneck! Gave me a good laugh.
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinaman
the apache is a good helicopter, h**l its the best attack heli

i fail to see the american's points

i think the us army is too confident with iraqis, although iraqis isnt a very good fighting force

us army forgot the basics of combined arms doctine, apparently having all apaches aginist tank convoy isn't as effective as a land, air combined force
Yeah I agree with you here. I think they just simply got careless. The Iraqis successfully measured this overconfidence and set a well laid trap for the Americans.

I don't think the Commanche was really worth it. The Apache is sufficient.
January 23rd, 2005  
Chinaman
 
i dont think helicopters are good for individual missions unless a full offensive/attack it in place, it is a very good support weapon

keep in note it is used for support, not for primary

it could be demonstrated in the game CnC generals, my friend had all apache and they all got shot down, we only defeated the other player because his new fleet and my armored units combined attack
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Because Command and Conquer is so realistic right? What peeved me most about that game was how the hardware was named after actual stuff and behaved nothing like it. Playing C&C makes me feel like I'm in charge of a construction company. All of a sudden, the fate of the world depends on me and here I am armed with a dump truck having to build a gigantic structure with a massive crane, then have some power plants built (right, power plants), and ... well you get the drill.

You need all the elements to be successful in at least a conventional war. It may be true that you need ground assets to win, but without air assets, you may not have much of a ground units left.
January 23rd, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
C&C ain't realistic.

There are only a few games like Full Spectrum Warrior, America's Army, Close Combat, that I would consider realistic.

If you want to be taken seriously you should try pointing to engagements that occur in real life, not in a playtoy.
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
I was being sarcastic.
January 23rd, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
I was talking to chinaman.