Again FRANCE, this time Job Market Protests




 
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Boots
 
April 4th, 2006  
phoenix80
 
 

Topic: Again FRANCE, this time Job Market Protests


LoL

Seems the French can't have a quiet and functional society and they always protest some thing

Last year it was about Islam and muslims and this year it is about bunch of silly guys protesting the labor laws.

Whats going on in the broken french society?
April 4th, 2006  
Marinerhodes
 
 
Those dang French!! *starts boarding up his glass house*
April 4th, 2006  
PJ24
 
 
No link to an article or anything?
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Boots
April 4th, 2006  
phoenix80
 
 

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Originally Posted by PJ24
No link to an article or anything?
I thought this is some thing every one of us knows by now

But here you go

Violence mars huge marches in France against new jobs law

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1143498799740&pagename=JPost%2FJPArt icle%2FShowFull


Another Nationwide Strike Disrupts France

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1803861
April 4th, 2006  
Marinerhodes
 
 
I was looking for something that stated in simple terms what the actual labor laws were. Unfortunately after 10 minutes search (yes, I have little patience for research) I was unable to locate anything (in English) that applied.

It seems to me they are saying: "No, don't make me work harder to make myself useful to my employer(s) so they will retain me instead of firing me and hiring a better or more proficient worker".
April 4th, 2006  
PJ24
 
 
I didn't read the whole thing, but this seems to be a summary.

French Labor Law

There's also this that I found:

Q&A French Labor Law

I guess I can see both sides of the argument, but there is simply too much room for abuse with this. It's really odd how the youth is treated there, and I find it VERY odd it goes all the way up to the age of 26.
April 5th, 2006  
mmarsh
 
 
I can shed some light on this law to anyone interested...

When you are hired full time in France, you are given a 2 month trial period (renewable once, if the employer chooses). During that trial period an employee can be fired for any reason. After the trial period it is nearly impossible unless in the most dire of circumstances such as theft, violence, major error, or economic layoff (to which in the later the employer much pay a major severance package, and is barred from hiring anyone else). Its a very nice system for the employee like me , but is a major problem to the employer.

What this law does is extend the trial period for two years under these conditions...

A) for people under 26 years old

AND

B) only for companies with less 20 people (CPE law applies to small business only).

So as you can see this effects a very small minority. So whats the hub-bub about? The Unions and students feel that this very small change will be the start of a dismantelment of workers rights, lets in the floodgates so to speak. This is laughable because the people protesting are those who will become French Civil Servants. These Civil Servants have the cushest jobs in France (pay and benefits) compared to the private sector. Its only normal they are trying to protect the status quo. Unfortunatly with emerging economies like China, its simply impossible to maintain the old system and stay competitive.

These strict labor laws and high taxes kill job creation in France which of course leads to high unemployment. Everybody knows this, but nobody wants to be the one with his/her benefits cut.
April 5th, 2006  
Marinerhodes
 
 
So basically they are making people have decent or good work ethics for 2 years instead of two months? I presume the age limit is based on some study as to job stability and work ethics.

That it applies to small companies I can see where it will benefit them if their employees decide to slack off after 2 months. Get rid of them and find more competent workers.
April 5th, 2006  
phoenix80
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marinerhodes
So basically they are making people have decent or good work ethics for 2 years instead of two months? I presume the age limit is based on some study as to job stability and work ethics.

That it applies to small companies I can see where it will benefit them if their employees decide to slack off after 2 months. Get rid of them and find more competent workers.
They just want a pure socialist state where they can get welfare/social assistance and stop working...
April 5th, 2006  
sunb!
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
I can shed some light on this law to anyone interested...

When you are hired full time in France, you are given a 2 month trial period (renewable once, if the employer chooses). During that trial period an employee can be fired for any reason. After the trial period it is nearly impossible unless in the most dire of circumstances such as theft, violence, major error, or economic layoff (to which in the later the employer much pay a major severance package, and is barred from hiring anyone else). Its a very nice system for the employee like me , but is a major problem to the employer.
We have a 6 month trial period in Norway, it can be extended with 2 or 3 months if the employee or employer are uncertain, the other terms mentioned applies up here as well.

What we see now is that vacant jobs are passed through Adecco, Proffice and so on; where people under the age of 25/26 are given short term jobs (which may lead to a full time job in the end (that is after 6 to 9 months)), but the person is working on a month to month basis. If he or she fails one month it is very easy to end up in the dole que. This is widely used in telemarketing and other sales, but is also seen on mechanical work shops, shopping malls, cafè and resturants and in the cargo carrier business.

Positive, negative? I did work for one of the above mentioned companies - had bad conditions and the big question now in domestic politics is to promote the usage of short term labour to be more competative with Europe and South East Asia.

Way to go, not! There are so many problems in Europe today, and the politicians do not have a clue on how new laws, new taxes and so on will affect the job marked. I sometimes wonder the politicans are sane.