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Even with all the troubles that followed, Mohammad Gulab says he's still glad he saved the U.S. Navy SEAL. "I have no regrets for what I did," the 32-year-old Afghan told NEWSWEEK recently. "I'm proud of my action." Nevertheless, he says, "I never imagined I would pay such a price." Last June, foraging for edible plants in the forest near his home in the Kunar-province village of Sabray, Gulab discovered a wounded commando, the lone survivor of a four-man squad that had been caught in a Taliban ambush. Communicating by hand signs, Gulab brought the injured stranger home, fed and sheltered him for two days and helped contact a U.S. rescue team to airlift him out.
Gulab has been paying for his kindness ever since. Al Qaeda and the Taliban dominate much of Kunar's mountainous backcountry. Death threats soon forced Gulab to abandon his home, his possessions and even his pickup truck. Insurgents burned down his little lumber business in Sabray. He and his wife and their six children moved in with his brother-in-law near the U.S. base at Asadabad, the provincial capital. Three months ago Gulab and his brother-in-law tried going back to Sabray. Insurgents ambushed them. Gulab was unhurt, but his brother-in-law was shot in the chest and nearly died. The threats persist. "You are close to death," a letter warned recently. "You are counting your last days and nights."
Gulab's story says a lot about how Al Qaeda and its allies have been able to defy four and a half years of U.S. efforts to clear them out of Afghanistan. The key is the power they wield over villagers in strongholds like Kunar, on the Pakistani frontier. For years the province has been high on the list of suspected Osama bin Laden hideouts. "If the enemy didn't have local support, they couldn't survive here," says the deputy governor, Noor Mohammed. Since the Soviet occupation in the 1980s, jihadists have been amassing influence through scare tactics, tribal loyalties and cash. A little money can purchase big leverage in an area where entire villages sometimes subsist on a few thousand dollars a year, and many foreign jihadists have insinuated themselves into the Pashtun social fabric by marrying into local families. "The enemy knows the culture and exploits it," says Col. John Nicholson, who commands U.S. forces along several hundred miles of saw-toothed borderland.
Al Qaeda effectively owns much of Kunar. "There is little or no government control over most of the mountain villages," says an Afghan intelligence officer in Asadabad, asking not to be named because of the nature of his work. Many local Afghan officials are afraid to visit their home villages. Fighters entering Kunar from Pakistan have grown increasingly brazen in their movements. "This year they are so bold, they are coming in broad daylight," says the Afghan intelligence officer. Around Gulab's home village, even the natives stay out of certain areas that have been staked off by the jihadists.
Fear wasn't enough to keep Gulab from helping the commando he found in the woods last June. The Afghan says he had heard about the previous day's ambush and knew that local insurgents were hunting an American who had escaped, but Gulab believed he had to do the right thing. Under the mountain tribes' code of honor—Pashtunwali, they call it—there's a sacred duty to give shelter and assistance to anyone in need. Using gestures, Gulab indicated that he meant no harm. The injured stranger signed back that he understood and lowered his automatic rifle.
Word spread fast among Gulab's neighbors that he had taken an American into the village's protection. The jihadists soon heard the same thing. Their commander, an Afghan named Qari Muhammad Ismail, sent the villagers a written demand for the fugitive. Gulab and other village men answered with a message of their own: "If you want him, you will have to kill us all." Sabray has roughly 300 households altogether. "The Arabs and Taliban didn't want to fight the village," says Gulab.
The next night, Gulab and his neighbors took their guest to a nearby cave. For two days they took turns standing guard with his weapon while a village elder traveled to the Americans in Asadabad, carrying a letter the SEAL had written and a piece of his uniform. Four days after the ambush, a U.S. military team finally arrived to secure the village. That night a helicopter carried the wounded man and Gulab to the U.S. base.
There, Gulab says, the SEAL thanked him and promised to send him $200,000 as a reward. The Afghan also claims that U.S. officers, knowing that he and his family would be in danger because of his heroism, promised to relocate them to America within two months. (The military denies such an offer was made.) All he has now is a $250-a-month job at the base as a construction laborer. "I sacrificed everything," he says. "Now no one cares."
After several requests for comment on Gulab's story, NEWSWEEK got an e-mail from Col. Jim Yonts, a public-affairs officer in Kabul. "The U.S. military undertook many positive actions toward this individual and the other Afghans of the area to show our national gratitude and respect," he wrote. "I can not discuss the issue of the U.S. Navy SEAL promising money, but I can tell you that there was never an expectation to arrange relocation for this individual or his family." The military has no authority to make such an offer, he explained. The SEAL, who remains on active duty, declined to comment via his attorney, Alan Schwartz, an "entertainment lawyer" in Santa Monica, Calif. Gulab only shakes his head: "Why would anyone else want to cooperate with the U.S. now?"
 
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I find it hard to believe the SEAL would have offered anything like that. I may be wrong. The will to survive at almost any cost is very high in some people. $200,000.00 along with the relocation to the US is a bit odd if you think about it.
 
Interesting. There is a lot more to the story than this, and no part that I am aware of includes an offer of money or relocation to the US within two months. Oh well, I guess the media isn't happy unless they are stirring trouble and making up lies. Ugh.
 
It raises an interesting point though. How to win the hearts and minds of people, who are under constant threat of the other party. What good is one of these helping hands if they are dead soon after? That is an interesting question...
 
Well if the coalition treat him shabby there goes the support if it ever happens again.
I think its a great reward for helping a wounded or lost soldier.
And it shows that we care.
 
The point is that the man says the SEAL promised him things. I am not sure what the SEAL did or said. I somehow doubt the SEAL would do such a thing. I am more inclined to believe the man helped the SEAL for other than altruistic motives.
 
Dear Members,

The strange thing is if that SEAL had been a USN, USAF or USMC (ie I don't know about US Army) pilot that Afghan would have been handed a "blood chit" which is printed on silk. A blood chit is a promise by the US government to pay in gold a certain amount which I believe is $40,000 dollars for the safe return of that pilot. It even has a registered number on each chit and pilots have to sign for them. The message is printed in eight languages. The most famous one was the one sewed on the flight jacket of the orginal Flying Tigers in China in 1942.

The US military was stupid for not paying him something and relocating him. The word would have gotten out and the Afghans would have treated any wounded lost US soldier like GOLD.

Finally, the dumbest thing the US is doing is when they find out they were fooled and handed some poor Afghan slob who has done nothing and they return the poor guy from Cuba they just leave them at the airport with 8 bucks! I mean they don't know how much heartache they could solve by handing those Afghans that are mistakenly captured as AQ or Taliban $400 or $500 dollars. And just say "Ooops! Were Sorry!'

Jack E. Hammond
 
Interesting points to be sure. Who is saying the Afghan man is even telling the truth? Many people help others on the bet that it will benefit them. If there is no possible personal benefit, then the chances are that most people would not risk all they have just to help someone else.

Apparently this guy thought it would benefit him to help the SEAL. Maybe he had delusions of grandeur and convinced himself he would get all this stuff he claims he was promised. It is hard to say. Do not get me wrong. I am not calling the Afghan man a liar. I will say that I think, like PJ24, (remarkable isn't it?) that there is more to it than meets the eye.
 
Hospitality is one of the basic tenents of Islam. What you have here is a guy who was willing to risk his life to actually "live" the tenents of his faith. He risked his life to honor his faith before the $200K "offer" was on the table.
We spend a lot of time painting radical Islam with a deservidely broad brush. What you have here is an example of non-radical Islam.
 
G Connor said:
Hospitality is one of the basic tenents of Islam. What you have here is a guy who was willing to risk his life to actually "live" the tenents of his faith. He risked his life to honor his faith before the $200K "offer" was on the table.
We spend a lot of time painting radical Islam with a deservidely broad brush. What you have here is an example of non-radical Islam.

You know for a fact the 200k offer was on the table before he helped the SEAL?

I agree that there is a large sense of hospitality in Arabic culture. I have been told that at any rate. I agree that most religions (Islam included but I am not sure) have some form of lesson or parable concerning a "Good Samaritan" type of person.

I still can not see my way to thinking that anyone promised this man anything for helping the SEAL.
 
Hospitality At A Price

Good observations.

A question for someone with in theater experience. The concept of "Blood Chits" has been around for some time. Are personnel in theater issued anyting similar. If so, a perceived reward of $200K could have beeninplay at the time.

Therre was a time when blood chits were discontinued to avoid a bidding war for the head of a downed airman. The Blood Chit versus the Bounty.
 
G Connor said:
A question for someone with in theater experience. The concept of "Blood Chits" has been around for some time. Are personnel in theater issued anyting similar. If so, a perceived reward of $200K could have beeninplay at the time.

Therre was a time when blood chits were discontinued to avoid a bidding war for the head of a downed airman. The Blood Chit versus the Bounty.

Pilots, air crew members, SOF personnel and any other personnel that are considered to be at high risk of capture are issued blood chits. You're issued one once in theater, it has a number that's assigned specifically to you. They offer no promise of a set monetary award, but they do offer a reward in general once the number and chit have been handed over to American authorities.

Current DoD policy is that regardless of a chit or not, if you assist in the recovery of a US service member, you will be compensated. Again, there is no set dollar amount or promises of US citizenship, etc.

We've yet to renege on a blood chit that I am aware of, and if we have it hasn't happened in recent times.

 
All Operators have Blood chits and blood money issued to them for Op's... Something I believe doesn't add up. But it is Muslim culture to offer someone a place to stay aswell as food if it is needed.
 
Pete031 said:
All Operators have Blood chits and blood money issued to them for Op's... Something I believe doesn't add up. But it is Muslim culture to offer someone a place to stay aswell as food if it is needed.

We do not carry "blood money," it's called "per diem." :mrgreen:
 
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