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September 30th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
As with aces I think it gets subjective. Like between the tank aces Michael Wittman and Otto Carius. Carius had more enemy kills, but Wittman is usually given more credit?
Not one person ever mentions Kurt Knispel number one tank ace of WW2 and probably all time yet every post on tank aces first in line is Hauptsturmführer Wittmann which is kind of sad as of the two men Knispel is the one that should be held in greater esteem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Knispel
October 1st, 2014  
tetvet
 
Had the Germans went in full production in 1943 on the 262 it might have made a difference in the air war .
October 1st, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Not one person ever mentions Kurt Knispel number one tank ace of WW2 and probably all time yet every post on tank aces first in line is Hauptsturmführer Wittmann which is kind of sad as of the two men Knispel is the one that should be held in greater esteem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Knispel
I argee Monty. I was just using Carius as an example of someone who had considerably more kills than Wittman. In fact I just saw some show on WW2 that stated Wittman was the greatest tank ace of all time. I don't understand it myself?
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October 1st, 2014  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
I argee Monty. I was just using Carius as an example of someone who had considerably more kills than Wittman. In fact I just saw some show on WW2 that stated Wittman was the greatest tank ace of all time. I don't understand it myself?
It's called P.R.! The U.S. 5th Air Force did some amazing things, but all anyone hears about is the 8th & to a lesser extent the 20th A.F.s.
October 1st, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetvet
Had the Germans went in full production in 1943 on the 262 it might have made a difference in the air war .
The only advantage I can see to putting the Me-262 into the air sooner is that it would have given it operation development time outside of that had the 262 taken to the skies in 1943 the British Meteor would not have been far behind as a response.

I do not believe Germany was as far ahead in the jet race as people want to believe.
October 1st, 2014  
tetvet
 
The 262 the meteor who knows , the Germans tied themselves down with the 109 a capable plane , one big problem with Germany is they never developed a strategic bomber .
October 1st, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
But would a strategic bomber have had any effect on the outcome?

I am not convinced it would have had an impact on the war in the west but maybe in the east?

Richard Overy's conclusion at the end of his book The Bombing War: Europe 1939-1945 was that “strategic bombing proved in the end to be inadequate in its own terms for carrying out its principle assignments and was morally compromised by deliberate escalation against civilian populations.” Nor has it left any real legacy. It was rapidly rendered redundant by the overwhelming but (since 1945 at least) unusable destructive power of nuclear weapons. More recently, bombing has come full circle. Precision-guided munitions now allow Western air forces to hit military targets while leaving even nearby civilians often largely unscathed—the precise opposite of what prevailed during the second world war.
October 1st, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Well considering the Hugh Tankograd complex was just east of the Urals in Chelyabinsk. The Germans were in a position when holding the Don base to bomb such facilities if they had long range strategic bombers. I don't see any Allied targets that would require such bombers as they could and did already hit England during the Blitz.
October 1st, 2014  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
The only advantage I can see to putting the Me-262 into the air sooner is that it would have given it operation development time outside of that had the 262 taken to the skies in 1943 the British Meteor would not have been far behind as a response.

I do not believe Germany was as far ahead in the jet race as people want to believe.
If the Air Ministry had listened to and backed Frank Whittle the Gloster E.28/39 could have been developed further and fought the Battle of Britain.
October 1st, 2014  
JOC
 
 

Topic: Meteor


Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
If the Air Ministry had listened to and backed Frank Whittle the Gloster E.28/39 could have been developed further and fought the Battle of Britain.
The concept had been kicking around since the 30's. Sounds like the air ministry dragged their heals on this one. I don't believe it was quite as advanced as the ME-262, sweep wing, speed. However we will never really know since they never came into combat. Sounds like the meteor had better electronics. But had it come out in 1940 it would have blown the socks off the Luffwaff.

Another high tech WW2 weapon that saw it's greatest potential after the war.
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