Rob Henderson
Banned
I kinda like the tipping system we have here... There was no incentive for politeness over in France or England. Like the waiters didn't have to work for their money, so there was no reason to be overly friendly.
45,000 die from lack of health care
koalaburger
Active member
I find it tragic that you need a constitution or law to make you show kindness and a sense of fairness in your society. The differences in attitudes between most of the industrialised world and the supposedly christian country America are wide indeed.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
My point is, don't expect it to make sense.
Rob Henderson
Banned
Just a bit of a jab. Wasn't meant to be seriously arguing there, 13.
koalaburger... Even if we are predominantly Christian, we have no official religion.
Other than that, I agree.
koalaburger... Even if we are predominantly Christian, we have no official religion.
Other than that, I agree.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Well it is a HUGE country...
Rob Henderson
Banned
You're absolutely right, Partisan.
rattler
Active member
Ok, cultural differences (in Spanish, "culto" means educated... 
)...
Luckily the US ppl w/o access to health care haven´t found out they could get it for free here yet, just with a tourist ticket, but I guess it´s just a matter of time. I can already see it: Our (cost free) hospitals not swarmed by Morrocans or ppl from Colombia anymore, but we have to fight our way through US Americans standing in line while they are discussing the problems of the oh-so-bad government in their country making them pay...
Rattler
)...Luckily the US ppl w/o access to health care haven´t found out they could get it for free here yet, just with a tourist ticket, but I guess it´s just a matter of time. I can already see it: Our (cost free) hospitals not swarmed by Morrocans or ppl from Colombia anymore, but we have to fight our way through US Americans standing in line while they are discussing the problems of the oh-so-bad government in their country making them pay...
Rattler
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A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Thanks Rattler.
If I get anything, I'll be sure to know that a plane ticket to Spain will do me more good than my worthless health insurance I had to sign up for.
If I get anything, I'll be sure to know that a plane ticket to Spain will do me more good than my worthless health insurance I had to sign up for.
Chukpike
Banned
Didn't know signing up for worthless health insurance was required in Korea.
At least in the United States you are not required to buy Health insurance. If you do decide to buy, there are plenty of good companies to choose from.
senojekips
Active member
What exactly is this "incentive" in USA to pay tips. Tipping is a form of extortion in the US where there have been recorded cases of tips being added to the bill, and people actually being arrested for refusing to pay the tip.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7128490
I must have been a very poor worker, I never received a tip in my life, other than, to always be kind to my mother.
As near as I can see, tips are encouraged by miserable employers so that they can effectively pay their workers less, there having been cases where employees have actually been expected to pay to get employment in jobs where the tips were good. Wages should be paid by the employer and customers should have the right to expect the best service available, after all, that's why employees are paid,... to do their job.
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A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Like I said, cultural difference.
Doesn't have to make sense.
If folks like to give away extra money at the end of their already over priced meal and have no fuss about it, we'll just chalk it down to cultural difference.
If they like to fork out hundreds of dollars each month to recieve any sort of medical insurance coverage and shun the idea of having health care affordable like most other developed countries, again, just chalk it down to cultural difference.
Doesn't have to make sense.
If folks like to give away extra money at the end of their already over priced meal and have no fuss about it, we'll just chalk it down to cultural difference.
If they like to fork out hundreds of dollars each month to recieve any sort of medical insurance coverage and shun the idea of having health care affordable like most other developed countries, again, just chalk it down to cultural difference.
I remember that story, totally outragious behavior by the restraunt. Tip of 15% is considered normal & is often added to bills on large parties.Some don't notice & double tip. Some tip better than 15% & some less. Considering the comments on service, little or no tip sounded justified. This is talking about a sit down place where the waitress/waiter does all the work. What I find it a bit hard to justify is the expectation of 15% in a buffet where all they do is refill the drinks.
Rob Henderson
Banned
That'd be why I didn't respond to the actual post and attempted to take it to PM... Sorry, Chukpike!
Once again in your blissful youth, you ignored the relevance. I was merely concurring with what 13 said. Food is so cheap, but the government gives it away?
Likewise, if I'm an illegal alien, I get free medical. I had to work several shifts in an ER to get my EMT-B. I saw it first hand. I also saw those on welfare coming to the ER using their medicaid for the same stuff a family doctor can do. Because they loved the attention. But to them it's free.
Last time I went to the ER, I was nearly turned away because I didn't have medical insurance. Turned out, my motorcycle insurance would cover part of it, luckily the guy had insurance for his car, and it covered it. I didn't even stay the night, I had no broken bones, and the medical was over $8,000. Imagine trying to pay that off in monthly installments. I have been turned away from ERs in the years past because I had no medical insurance. One time I recall so well because I did have medical insurance and they still turned me away. I went elsewhere and ended up getting surgery done. Brilliant F*ing Idiots......
Rob, I think you need to get a bit older and get a lot more experience dealing with life before you start jumping to conclusions without asking "what's up?".
I will say that from my experience there are so many more things in this country that needs fixed, I don't care if Obama is in office for 12 years- he can't do it. Not by himself. And the senate and congress? THAT is why it'll take 12 years.
I think the medical care is possibly a good move, I don't like the initial law proposed, but it had it's possibilities. That is the joy of dealing with the senate and congress, because they can help either fine tune it or screw it up eternally. Ok, usually the latter, but let's be opstimistic- maybe this time they'll get their heads out of their arses at least ONCE.
I think that before we have a full scale medical plan like Obama presented, we need a full scale mental health program. Get people off of drugs, get them off of booze, and get them working. You will find, if you afford yourself the opportunity, that before we start complaining about an 85 year old woman that's dying from liver cancer, there are people living on the G*D* streets ONLY because they have mental health issues they cannot afford to fix. Some of it is addiction. Some of it is alcoholism. Some of it is other issues like Schitophrenia, Bi-Polar Disorder, Manic-Depression Syndrome, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and others.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
I think a great way to get people off those things is to cut the supply of free food. If food isn't free anymore, they're going to be using more of their money for food. Won't be a lot, but hell it's a start.
Personally I wonder if all of this has gone beyond the point of return.
Also, I think society has accepted mental disorder a little too much. People want to be different all the damned time and because mental disorders are so well accepted, they see that as some kind of shortcut to uniqueness. Stupidity... but I think it happens quite a bit.
Another great way to reduce drug problems is to sentence all traffickers to death and cane people who are caught using them.
Also... something needs to be done about the crazy spending. Nowhere else in the world will you see a country that takes away almost half of someone's income (and then also tax their expenditure) and provide so little return. Where is all this money going? Maybe with the exception of bare necessities, all government funded programs should be slashed to start all over again. That may be the only way to control out of control spending.
Another trend I see in the US is an obsession towards expensive uber-sexy equipment to deal with rather straight forward stuff. You don't need expensive trucks to haul cargo. A regular truck will do just fine. It's a pattern I see here repeatedly. The tools are absolute overkills and a waste of money.
Personally I wonder if all of this has gone beyond the point of return.
Also, I think society has accepted mental disorder a little too much. People want to be different all the damned time and because mental disorders are so well accepted, they see that as some kind of shortcut to uniqueness. Stupidity... but I think it happens quite a bit.
Another great way to reduce drug problems is to sentence all traffickers to death and cane people who are caught using them.
Also... something needs to be done about the crazy spending. Nowhere else in the world will you see a country that takes away almost half of someone's income (and then also tax their expenditure) and provide so little return. Where is all this money going? Maybe with the exception of bare necessities, all government funded programs should be slashed to start all over again. That may be the only way to control out of control spending.
Another trend I see in the US is an obsession towards expensive uber-sexy equipment to deal with rather straight forward stuff. You don't need expensive trucks to haul cargo. A regular truck will do just fine. It's a pattern I see here repeatedly. The tools are absolute overkills and a waste of money.
Part of me agrees, but I also know that initially maybe it should be extreme. Give them a chance to make themselves better, and when they don't, cut all free help off.
Yep. Like folks that get a kick out of being "emo". Emo? WTF? Who wants to always be depressed? I sure don't. Whoever like hurting themselves, man THAT is sick and they need help bad.
EXACTLY! Except I think we should do them more like the way the Romans did the Christians. Put them in a colosseum and let them kill each other. THEN send in the animals. Charge admission. I'd pay! To watch some psychotic chick stab her dealer to death with a Hep C infected hypo....stab stab stab....YEAAAH! Fun!
That's what amazed me when I was in high school. The school district had to lay teachers off, and two months later the school district superintendent got a pay raise. Why lay them off if he gets a pay raise? WTF? Back then the average teacher made $12,000/year. And the super, when his bastard ass retired, was making $70,000/year. He retired in 1988.
Yep. Doesn't matter how old or out of style it is, if it works it works!
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
It costs $0.70 for a can of corn or peas or whatnot.
There are probably millions of people in this world who get about that much nutrition in one whole day. Do you expect me to believe that a person with all his/her digits and no law barring working and earning money cannot earn seventy cents in one day?
Turning in a can in recycling centers can fetch you $0.05. That's 14 cans. Pick up 14 cans and you won't starve that day.
There are probably millions of people in this world who get about that much nutrition in one whole day. Do you expect me to believe that a person with all his/her digits and no law barring working and earning money cannot earn seventy cents in one day?
Turning in a can in recycling centers can fetch you $0.05. That's 14 cans. Pick up 14 cans and you won't starve that day.
rattler
Active member
(all "*" have a vid at the bottom of this post)
See, 13th, in the US things are different: I could, being in need, go here in Spain to "help" people find a parkig lot* (if I got the stamina to fight the Russian Mafia guys off that occupy the sector), or I could offer wiping windshields on a traffic light* (if I got the stamina to fight the Ukrainian Mafia off), or I might even go and ask for a dime in the peatonal zones, maybe playing music* (but then, of cause, would have to cut a deal with the Romanian Mafia controlling this sector of business). Anyway, at least the police or the authorities in "socialist Europe" would let me try that w/o penal probs (why, do you think I am training my accoredeon skills, gotta be ready for pension time!), and, if I found a trafficlight, e.g. that was not yet occupied, or if I worked after sunset, I am sure I would make enough money for me and my family to feed.
The Dutch, mercantile as they are, have found the best way, iMHO: YOu can do all of that, as long as you let authorities approve a schedule (and you keep it), and if you get a tax card. Upside: They will protect you from the mafias...
IIRC, any of those capitalist "marketing initiatives" in moste states in the US would land me (as I have come to understand "normal" christian citizens there cannot bear to see ppl in need on the streets, hurts their eyes or conscience) out of town, in jail or in hospital. So much for the "land of the free".
Rattler
Parking Cars: Here, ironically, from the state Institute of Formation, a "How-To":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPVe85TfWDE
Cleaning Windshields, 5 in every 1 min red traffic light phase is the basic *must*, else the mafia will replace you, hire and fire also here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu_78fRLHAw
And, asking money, playing an instrument:
How it starts here in Spain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0v_LnWBuSg
How it ends here in Spain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUBbDFzZtfA
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