The 2nd Amendment and criminals.




 
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The 2nd Amendment and criminals.
 
January 14th, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 

Topic: The 2nd Amendment and criminals.


The 2nd Amendment and criminals.
This topic has been brought up a thousand if not more times , let alone dozens on this forum alone.

But I am asking for another perspective on the problem of gun control and regulation.

I am looking for those on this forum with experience in law enforcement on the question of how many gun crimes or crimes involving firearms are from legal qualified gun owners with registered firearms.

With the trade in Arizona still very much fresh in our minds, this topic is bound make more than one appearance in the mainstream media. But from what I can tell is that the maniac who went loose that day in Tuscon used a legal and had legal ownership of the weapon.

The reason I ask for law enforcement stats is because one main agreement against ( least for me) for gun restrictions or banning laws is because that a MAJORITY, is not a vast majority of gun related crimes, and crimes involving firearms are via people who do not have legally owned firearms,or are qualified to own them.

I really do not think banning firearms to the public, will stop strategies like Tuscon, Virginia Tech, even older cases like the Texas Campus Shooter, banning them would have in theory have little effect on such occurrences.

For instance, theft is illegal, but yet people still walk out of department stores with merchandise in their pockets, and even rob convenient stores.

Murder is illegal, yet people kill each other in cities and even rural areas around the country every day.

My point being that any statistics on gun crime, and relation to gun criminals who have legal gun ownership to those who do not and any conclusion that we here at the forums can come to on how to look at the matter.

The question being, does gun crimes generally involve illegal firearms? And if so, how would regulating the legal law abiding gun owners help prevent that?Or even lower gun related crime? And would it help prevent tragedies like in Tuscon?

Any and ALL thoughts on the subject are very much welcome.
January 21st, 2011  
-- Dusty
 
 
WELLLLLcommmmMMMMe to PLANET EARTH, Brotheeeer Yossarian!
People are people no matter where you go. Good and bad, pretty and ugly.


Regulating firearms will not succeed in anything beneficial to the people.
January 21st, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
Thats my freakin point exactly, just seems all the hippies won't pick up on that crap, and I would love to see any attempt to round up our country's legal gun owner's firearms and toss em into the compactor.

Allot of our media gurus don't seem to think very clearly allot of the time.

I just played middle man on the original post here so it would not offend anyone, for all I know some one still may have a strong counterpoint to my opinion, which by all means, is still weclome for debate.


Also why I asked for solid information on the matter, to better seal the case.
(Not OUR media gurus, on the forums that is)
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The 2nd Amendment and criminals.
January 22nd, 2011  
-- Dusty
 
 
Gun owners of America is an excellent source of information.
January 22nd, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
You can bet I am looking into that, numbers are without opinion thankfully.
January 25th, 2011  
Ted
 
 
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Originally Posted by Yossarian
You can bet I am looking into that, numbers are without opinion thankfully.
The numbers might not be... but the explanation given to these numbers are often twice as tainted.

I don't have any numbers either on legal or illegal gun ownership and crime. All I do know is that European countries with gun regulations have a lot less gun related killings. Even Joe Sixpack might one day lose his cool and stroll of with his Smith&Wesson.
January 25th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Guns in the US are not the problem, it's a poor "cultural attitude" towards firearms and their place in society.
January 25th, 2011  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Guns in the US are not the problem, it's a poor "cultural attitude" towards firearms and their place in society.
Think it's more of the revolving door justice system(in many places) & the odds of a murderer being executed is less than 1%.
January 25th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Guns in the US are not the problem, it's a poor "cultural attitude" towards firearms and their place in society.
And of course, a gun owning public who will look anywhere else but at the real problem.
January 26th, 2011  
Seehund
 
According to statistics from the Danish police in 2010, 47 murders was committed. 13 were committed with firearms. Legal firearms were used in 11 of the killings. Even if one takes into account the small population of Denmark the percentage is much lower than the over 10,000 who annually gets shot in the U.S.

"It costs roughly $ 100 billion per year to treat victims of firearms-related crime in the U.S.. For each injured individual - and those there were 87,358 last year - we pay $ 3,000, "according to Jens Ludwig University of Chicago in his much quoted book 'Gun Crime: The Real Cost. "

In the U.S.each citizen owns an average of 2.8 firearms. This means that there are almost half a billion guns in America.

The U.S. Constitution's saying that "Every Man har right two carry a gun" is found nowhere else in the world. But there are also no other countries were so many murders are committed as in the U.S.