295 killed - Malaysian Airlines passenger jet shot down over Ukraine.




 
--
 
July 17th, 2014  
Redleg
 
 

Topic: 295 killed - Malaysian Airlines passenger jet shot down over Ukraine.


A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 with 295 people aboard crashed and burned on Thursday in an eastern Ukraine wheat field near the Russian border, an area roiled by fighting between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces. Ukrainian officials called the crash an act of terrorism and said the plane might have been shot down by a Russian-made antiaircraft system...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/wo...e-ukraine.html

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=24599558

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856


This is just unbelievable...
My thoughts goes out to all the families affected by this terrible tragedy...
July 17th, 2014  
Remington 1858
 
 
Both the Ukraine and Russia use the same weapons, however this aircraft went down over Ukrainian territory so I think they are the ones who have to do the explaining, assuming that it even happened the way they say it did. The airline certainly has some responsibilities here, routing a civilian aircraft over a war zone.
July 17th, 2014  
Sara
 
 
This is tragic...295 more innocent lives lost in the midst of this war. My heart goes out to their families.
--
July 17th, 2014  
Redleg
 
 
This video was uploaded to Youtube just after the plane was shot down, and it claims that this is a Russian Buk surface-to-air missile launcher leaving the area just after the plane was hit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU5NSSzYygk"]То€ез - Снежное. ŸоявилисŒ пе€в‹е ка䈋 виновника см刂и 300 пассажи€ов г€ажданского самоле‚а - YouTube[/ame]


It's not confirmed in any way yet, but this video has started to circulate around the net now..

The pro-Russian separatists may have captured one from the Ukrainian forces, or been given one by Russia.
But without proper training or good ground support and radar systems they may have been firing blind at any aircraft over the area, and may have mistaken this passenger jet for an Ukrainian military plane.

Here's one article about that, but it's from Ukraine so it's not confirmed by any other nations yet either
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...pt-356545.html
July 18th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
It seems unlikely that separatists would have had the ability to use such a weapon even if they had one any idea what the chances of a hit would be if they were firing blind?
July 18th, 2014  
Redleg
 
 
If this story is true then the separatists would have access to Buk launchers and probably target acquisition radar(s) as well.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_0...allation-1561/

Many of the separatists are former military, so if they had a launcher and a radar and someone with knowledge of the system it is quite likely that they could have hit a jet at that altitude.

But without more then the basic launcher and radar they probably wouldn't have any ways to identify the type of aircraft, so a commercial passenger jet could have been mistaken for an Ukrainian military transport plane..
The separatists have shot down several Ukrainian planes and helicopters in that area before, but with short range AA, so if they had stolen Buks then it's highly likely that they would have used it if they thought that the airspace was closed for civilian traffic.

But I guess we'll just have to wait for any more independent news and reports, the propaganda machines on each side down there will certainly be working hard the next few days to blame eachother.
July 19th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
If this story is true then the separatists would have access to Buk launchers and probably target acquisition radar(s) as well.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_0...allation-1561/

Many of the separatists are former military, so if they had a launcher and a radar and someone with knowledge of the system it is quite likely that they could have hit a jet at that altitude.

But without more then the basic launcher and radar they probably wouldn't have any ways to identify the type of aircraft, so a commercial passenger jet could have been mistaken for an Ukrainian military transport plane..
The separatists have shot down several Ukrainian planes and helicopters in that area before, but with short range AA, so if they had stolen Buks then it's highly likely that they would have used it if they thought that the airspace was closed for civilian traffic.

But I guess we'll just have to wait for any more independent news and reports, the propaganda machines on each side down there will certainly be working hard the next few days to blame eachother.
Without a radar would there have been much chance of hitting anything though?
July 19th, 2014  
Yossarian
 
 
For even those who do not worship. May their souls rest easy, and at peace.

I surely hope peace for these people's reaches them soon, although current trends seem to differ.

However... A greater justice would be proved via a thorough however difficult investigation of the cause of the crash which would be more respectful to the victims and their families. I pray that a mechanical malfunction wouldn't be used as an blind overlooked note to scream of an attack for the purpose of furthering ulterior motives for parties that are not even nationally aligned with the Country this plane was flying over.

Or that something more sinister we all look back on decades from now in hindsight with guilt and uneasiness like so many other chapters in history.

My condolences , and respect to the victims and their families.
July 19th, 2014  
Warwick
 
Is it just a coincidence that the separatists are sending their SAM launchers back across into Russia.....?
By the time any international investigators are let onto the site any evidence if any will be long gone....at the crash site I mean.
July 20th, 2014  
George
 
Seperatists=Putin's Proxies.
 


Similar Topics
Israel rightfully own the West Bank .
Lost passenger jet was diverted deliberately: Malaysian PM
American father Philip Wood confirmed as passenger on missing Malaysia Airlines jet
How Would You Solve the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?
Tom Gross on the forgotten Rachels