Our new "Taiwan" is Terry Shiavo it seems. Welcome to the new autoflame controversy ladies and gentlemen!

Originally Posted by Charge 7

The Washington Post is a notoriously extremely liberal leftist newspaper. If you think that's "balanced" you're more delusional than I thought.

This is what Strongbow said:

So tell me where you could get any other conclusion from that than he's stating it was all setup by the religious right?

You want me to comment on Bush's role? I thought I did when I said that the right and the left had gotten mileage out of it. If you want me to expand upon that then fine. Bush did what his beliefs told him to do. Could you fault him for being more involved in it when his brother was at the heart of it all? Family stands by family - surely even in Australia. That's what Terri's family did too of course.

Oh, and is "liberal" a bad word then? I use words like "conservative" too as well as "right" and "left". You have a problem with that? Would you rather I said "the good guys" and "the bad guys" as you seem to think is the proper teminology?

If you think George Bush got involved purely for family and personal beliefs then I consider that delusional ( a word you seem to be able to use and get away with) . Please expand on this.

I agree with Strongbow that the pro-lifers and the religious right took full advantage of this poor family's situation.

Your lack of comment about the treatment of Judge Greer by the pro-lifers and religious right is a big concern. Do you think he had it coming?

You are of course entitled to your opinion, just as Strongbow is.

You did not read (or chose to ignore) where I did say that the religious right had indeed gotten mileage out of this case as did the the liberal left for that matter.

The US is not, however, a nation of polar opposites. Most of us exist somewhere inbetween. This was a landmark case and cut across the spectrum. To say that it was only driven by the religious right is excluding the vast majority of Americans who were quite interested in it whatever their political viewpoints.

You also seem to have missed entirely my personal interest in it. When you have had a family member in such a situation, you can grasp this controversy much clearer than somebody just listening to the media.

Oh, and where was I required to comment on Judge Greer? As for whatever situations he has come to since this ruling I am against the mistreatment of anyone by anybody for any reason.

i think now would be a good chance to put this topic to rest, as was mentioned further up, this thread is like the taiwan issue here;

a lot of people are very passionate/involved in the topic and no one is going to change sides...let it go

i think now would be a good chance to put this topic to rest, as was mentioned further up, this thread is like the taiwan issue here;

a lot of people are very passionate/involved in the topic and no one is going to change sides...let it go

Hear, hear and thank you, Chewie.

She did fine at least until her "husband" removed her feeding tube. I mean the guy is living with another woman AND has had 2 kids with her.
Thats a lot of kids for not being married at ALL.

That dirty bastard didn't care about her, he just wanted the money. And his attoureney, Felos, was a maniac. He thought he could think something and ta da it would be there. So I thought of the F-16 that would be sitting in the driveway when i got home and BLAM! it wasn't there.

HAHA!!! thats true HAHA!

Originally Posted by Charge 7

The Washington Post is a notoriously extremely liberal leftist newspaper. If you think that's "balanced" you're more delusional than I thought.

This is what Strongbow said:

So tell me where you could get any other conclusion from that than he's stating it was all setup by the religious right?

You want me to comment on Bush's role? I thought I did when I said that the right and the left had gotten mileage out of it. If you want me to expand upon that then fine. Bush did what his beliefs told him to do. Could you fault him for being more involved in it when his brother was at the heart of it all? Family stands by family - surely even in Australia. That's what Terri's family did too of course.

Oh, and is "liberal" a bad word then? I use words like "conservative" too as well as "right" and "left". You have a problem with that? Would you rather I said "the good guys" and "the bad guys" as you seem to think is the proper teminology?

So, you think Bush did it (with the help of Tom De Lay) for purely family reasons. Thats got to be delusional.

As John Danforth said recently, the Republican party was being transformed into "the political arm of conservative Christians".

I think the alarm bells are starting to ring for your "lame duck" president. He is going to need all the defending he can get from "anti-liberals" like you from now on.

I'm not an anti-liberal. Actually, many times I've supported causes that were spurred by the liberal side of the political spectrum. I've stated time and time again that I am an independent voter. And no, I don't support everything Bush has come up with. Social Security comes quickly to mind. Politically I'm something of a moderate. I don't care for extremists in either camp. I do not just go right down the middle though. I lean to whichever side is making the most sense at the time and offers the most constructive solutions.

It may interest you to know that Vermont's senior US Senator, Patrick Leahy, is my neighbor and a friend. He's also very much a Democrat. I've voted for him in every election. I've also voted for our now retiring Senator Jim Jeffords who was long a Republican before becoming an Independent - had he chosen to run again, I still would've voted for him - despite hardcore Republicans reviling him for briefly taking away their majority in the Senate. While he was our Congressman he came to my family's rescue during a very dark time indeed. He'd always have my vote.

My support for George Bush in this is simply the view of someone who gets the idea of "family". The President's brother was up to his neck in a very heated issue. I would have been shocked if he hadn't come to Jeb's support.