Originally Posted by Charge_7

Although the religious right did get some mileage out of this, they did not "pull a stunt" to have this happen. If you think so, then you weren't paying very close attention. This was a family vs. a spouse and nothing more. Though the issues involved were of interest to political parties and causes they were not the cause of this case hitting the headlines. It was a milestone case for a society facing new situations as medical advances (and shortcomings) come about. The Terri Shiavo case was beyond politics as the end of it has surely proven.

You have got to be kidding!!!!!

I must have missed something recently in the dozens of articles I have read on this sad story.

Vitriol and hysteria seem to be engulfing the Republicans at the moment thanks to Mr DeLay.

The treatment of Judge Greer, a conservative evangelical Christian and a committed Republican I might add, has received some terrible verbal treatment from people who should know better. It's a shameful episode.

The "end of it" came about because the courts stood up to Bush's political moves.

I'm sorry Charge but the political battles on this issue are not going to be over soon, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Strongbow

This appalling show could only happen in America.

The courts did the right thing. An animal in this poor woman's condition would have been peacefully put to death years ago.

Bush should be ashamed of himself for attempting to get political mileage out of this sorry episode.

I'm glad that 70% of Americans believe that Bush should have kept out of it. Some faith has been restored in the US.

I don't think the wide spread use of "living wills" is going to stop the US religious right from trying to pull a stunt like this again.

Tone it down there strongbow.

I agree with what Chewie first said, it's no way to live, and no way to die.

I am divided on the issue, because I myself would not want to live in a state such as that, and I dont think that it's anyway for someone to live. Although, the method of bringing about death wasnt what I would've agreed with, it caused agony for everyone, the parents, brothers and sisters, husband, and the people. Not to mention it gave more rise to national divisions with State and Federal courts siding (in my view) appropriately and then Congress and the White House interveneing. I feel that a method of quicker death (such as injection), would have been a better way for all parties.

You may say "well done" but you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't live here and you aren't Americans. Don't presume to tell us what brought this about just because your media puts a liberal spin on it. I did agree that the religious right had gotten mileage out of this case but you're completely delusional if you think they put Mr. Shiavo and Terri's family "up to it". BTW, the liberal left got plenty of mileage out of it too.

i really felt for both sides of teris family (blood & marriage)

because it stopped being about teri, she just became an object for so many other people/causes.

such a shame for a very personal tragedy to become a very public disgrace



lets hope lessons are learnt from it

I agree with most of that, Chewie. The part I don't completely agree with is that it "stopped being about Terri". It certainly did for many people. No doubt of that. However, many others, myself included, could easily put themselves in this sad story quite personally.

Originally Posted by Charge_7

You may say "well done" but you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't live here and you aren't Americans. Don't presume to tell us what brought this about just because your media puts a liberal spin on it. I did agree that the religious right had gotten mileage out of this case but you're completely delusional if you think they put Mr. Shiavo and Terri's family "up to it". BTW, the liberal left got plenty of mileage out of it too.

You seem to use the word "liberal" quite alot in your posts, charge.

I'll give you a website to one of our, which I consider well balanced, newspapers.

http://www.theage.com.au

Hopefully you will be able to find an article on this very sad story.

We aussies also can easily follow stories on the Washington Post etc via the web.

You seem to have avoided commenting on some of the points Strongbow made. Particularly Bush's role.

Strongbow didn't say that Terry's family were "put up" to it.

The Washington Post is a notoriously extremely liberal leftist newspaper. If you think that's "balanced" you're more delusional than I thought.

This is what Strongbow said:

I don't think the wide spread use of "living wills" is going to stop the US religious right from trying to pull a stunt like this again.

So tell me where you could get any other conclusion from that than he's stating it was all setup by the religious right?

You want me to comment on Bush's role? I thought I did when I said that the right and the left had gotten mileage out of it. If you want me to expand upon that then fine. Bush did what his beliefs told him to do. Could you fault him for being more involved in it when his brother was at the heart of it all? Family stands by family - surely even in Australia. That's what Terri's family did too of course.

Oh, and is "liberal" a bad word then? I use words like "conservative" too as well as "right" and "left". You have a problem with that? Would you rather I said "the good guys" and "the bad guys" as you seem to think is the proper teminology?

Calm down old boy!

At 55 you might blow a blood vessel.

I'll let you slug it out with Strongbow.

aussiejohn, if you cannot say something civil, don't say anything at all, at YOUR age you should know this.

No flaming or insulting of other members is allowed.