About Yom kippur war Page 2
|July 8th, 2011||#12|
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Re: Yom kippur war info
I completely agree with fredleander;
Egypt's success caused the Arab world to feel psychologically vindicated by early successes in the conflict... it made a major difference in the peace negotiations. The ending of the war effectively ended Israel's sense of invincibility and complacency was shattered, once an for all.
Between 1967-73, the Six Day War to the Yom Kippur War, the Soviet Union supplied 400 T-62 tanks to Egypt. This included the last shippment which had 96 brand-new T-62 tanks with their 115mm cannons and its night vision capability. No Israeli tanks had any night vision ability at all. Egypt and Syria also recieved Sagger and Snapper Missiles before the war and the infantry learned how to use them.
First C-5 in "Operation Grass Nickel" did not arrive in Israel until the evening of Oct. 14th. By then, however, Israel counter-offensive was fully on the move and the tide of the war had begun to changed.
The first C-5s carried 97 tons of 105mm howitzer shells, and it arrived at a time when Israeli forces were down to their last supplies of ammunition. Another 829 tons would be delivered in the next 24 hours. C-5 Galaxies also delivered 36 A-4 Skyhawks from the U.S. From USAF stocks in Europe 40 F-4 Phantom fighters were flown to Israeli bases. The 268 C-141s and 77 C-5As, with this the USAF could sustain a steady flow of three C-141s every two hours and four C-5s every four hours-indefinitely! The C-5s carried 48% of the total cargo from the USA in only 145 of the 567 total missions. The C-5 fleet used 24% less fuel than the C-141s fleet. The performance of the C-5 in this operation justified its C-5's existence. (Now you can see another reason the USA's military budget is so large! To have all this equiptment plus the means to rapidly transport the goods any where in the world they are needed, very quickly.)
Twelve C-130's were transferred to the IDF/AF.
The sea lift portion of Operation Grass Nickel transported over 33,000 tons of equipment, most of the armor and other large items. The sealift first arrived in Israeli sea ports in November of 1973!
What Operation Grass Nickel provided Israel was the knowledge that they could go ahead use their reserve equipment or weapons with the knowledge that replacement weapons were on their way.
The Soviets charged their client states more, that did not have communist governments! States with communist governments or leftist revolutionary groups get free and or at very low priced weapons. Soviet weapons were cheaper to buy and getting lower prices made many things initially, affordable. Soviet versus American weapons in price are dramatically different. A MiG-21 (back in the early 70s) cost around $1.5M while an F-4 Phantom cost over $4M but, the MiG-21 is more expensive to operate than the F-4! Israel did pay $25M for their first F-15As! The Soviet Union also gives generous discounts depending upon relations between the two governments. The USA has higher price items and gives discounts from time to time but, the Foreign Military Loans provide interest rates which are difficult to beat!
|July 8th, 2011||#13|
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Interesting facts AVON.
In my mind it is very clear who lost and who won every war Israel has faught in.
Not once has the strategic objective (the iniolation of Israel) been achieved regardless of how sneaky the attacks have been, Israel has whipped Arab butt everytime all the time.
Yes Israel has recieved US support in a quantity bordering rediculous, but so has the Arab states.
Israel has also made improvements on the kit they have recieved and in some cases produced their own kit that is fit for first echelon duty. (Kfir fighters and Merkava Tanks come to mind)
The arab countries have not.
Furthermore the arab countries tactics and logistical support plans have been a fu**ing joke at all times.
That is why even after the sneaky peaky attacks initial success they get outmanouvered and shot off like at a turkey shoot by the Israeli armor and AF.
Either you adapt your tactics and support to the terrain you are fighting in or you better have soo much equipment that you can sustain rediculous losses in definate.
The arabs has neither no matter how much russki kit they get..
The good thing is that it ainīt gonna be a rematch in the forseable future because there are noone crazy enough left to supply arms to these countries.
Not anyone with weaponry in enough quantity atleast.
Not untill China wanna get in on the oil game.
They have so far been alot smarter though as they simply purchase strategically vital areas and installations. ie: harbors, oilraffinaries etc etc.
I predict there will be the odd suicide bombing here and there in Israel but thatīs about it in the forseable future.
Even that Iranian nutjob of a president will probably think twice before using whatever nuke he can manage to manufacture.
"We are the pilgrims, Master
We shall go always a little further,
it may be beyond the last blue mountain barred with snow,
Across that angry or glimmering sea..."
Last edited by KJ; July 8th, 2011 at 14:25..
|July 19th, 2011||#15|
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Re: Yom Kippur War info
|February 14th, 2012||#16|
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a little offtopic dont u think? any way kj egypt's objectives were to hold a strip land on the east of the suez canal and we did and we completely destroyed nearly 1/2 of israels army in the first 4-6 days of the war 800 tanks and 200 aircraft but nickel grass switched the tide and the counter attack of israel didnt do nothing and dont count the new equipment as the major help the major help was in the ammunition that was supplied