Amen Luis!

And I'm getting a bit sick of hearing about how "cool" the rifle looks... who gives a flying what it LOOKS like, this ain't no damn beauty contest its about lethality and looks have absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

Amen Luis!

And I'm getting a bit sick of hearing about how "cool" the rifle looks... who gives a flying what it LOOKS like, this ain't no damn beauty contest its about lethality and looks have absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

Damn Skippy, I beong to another forum and all I hear is "XM8 this, XM8 that, It looks like a gun off Halo". Sometimes I just wanna bash there heads in with the thing.

If the AR 15 series like all the M16´s and M4´s are such a good and reliable Weaponsystem why must your troops clean it twice a day over there to be sure it work´s when it has to???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
I´ve never heard such things about the German G36 in Afghanistan or have to make it twice a day by myself while in the German Bundeswehr!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahh and no H&K weapon has somthing like the forward assist except the improved H&K M4( and i don´t know if you will need it anymore after the improvement)!!!
Or have you ever seen another Weapon in a Game ( i talk about Americas Army wich is developed by the U.S. ARMY) where you need a Key to "fix jam" on your weapon and i don´t play that game often but i tell you i need that key often!!!!!!

Ok, with the XM8 there may be things like "no Backup sight´s , or some plastic don´t last 100000 rounds rapid fire" but if the DOD wants or also thinks Backup sights are needed so why they don´t say that to H&K what they want additional? I think the guy´s at H&K will fix it!!
And the G36 is not a bad weaponsystem. Ok, i would prefer backup sights for emergency too but in the new G36A1 version the maine sight (the reddot for 100m) is removed and will be replaced by a Rail system to hold any reflexsight you want and without the maine sight you will be able to shoot with the backup sight at top of the carrying handle.
Ahh and BTW, the G36 is only 10 years old!!
And how old is the M16??? 45years???
So i think H&K has 35 years to improve it again and again and again and i think the G36 is in that A1 version a better and a more reliable weapon than the M16A1 - M16A24 3/8 !!!!!!!

´Nuff Said

P.S. But i like the SCAR too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joker

Originally Posted by Joker

If the AR 15 series like all the M16´s and M4´s are such a good and reliable Weaponsystem why must your troops clean it twice a day over there to be sure it work´s when it has to???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
I´ve never heard such things about the German G36 in Afghanistan or have to make it twice a day by myself while in the German Bundeswehr!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahh and no H&K weapon has somthing like the forward assist except the improved H&K M4( and i don´t know if you will need it anymore after the improvement)!!!
Or have you ever seen another Weapon in a Game ( i talk about Americas Army wich is developed by the U.S. ARMY) where you need a Key to "fix jam" on your weapon and i don´t play that game often but i tell you i need that key often!!!!!!

Ok, with the XM8 there may be things like "no Backup sight´s , or some plastic don´t last 100000 rounds rapid fire" but if the DOD wants or also thinks Backup sights are needed so why they don´t say that to H&K what they want additional? I think the guy´s at H&K will fix it!!
And the G36 is not a bad weaponsystem. Ok, i would prefer backup sights for emergency too but in the new G36A1 version the maine sight (the reddot for 100m) is removed and will be replaced by a Rail system to hold any reflexsight you want and without the maine sight you will be able to shoot with the backup sight at top of the carrying handle.
Ahh and BTW, the G36 is only 10 years old!!
And how old is the M16??? 45years???
So i think H&K has 35 years to improve it again and again and again and i think the G36 is in that A1 version a better and a more reliable weapon than the M16A1 - M16A24 3/8 !!!!!!!

´Nuff Said

P.S. But i like the SCAR too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joker

The U.S. Amry hasn't used the M16A1 since 1986.

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

Damn Skippy, I beong to another forum and all I hear is "XM8 this, XM8 that, It looks like a gun off Halo". Sometimes I just wanna bash there heads in with the thing.

Wow, that's not a good forum. When I hear "looks like a gun off Halo" that sounds like a slam to me, not a compliament

Am I smart or just getting old? :-/

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

Wow, that's not a good forum. When I hear "looks like a gun off Halo" that sounds like a slam to me, not a compliament

Am I smart or just getting old? :-/

Old. Ya, it's more of a gaming forum where theres all these 15 and 15 year olds who think they know it from playing Ghost Recon.

Well, if age is the case. Than the browning M2 Heavy Machine Gun and B-52 Stratofortress. The Browning M2 has adopted in 1938 and the B-52 Bomber was adopted in 1952.

The AR-15 series had a bad start. But after all the kinks were taken out. It's a great rifle. I never had a problem with my M4 while I was in Afghanistan. My only issue is the use of the SS109 NATO ball round. Piece of crap, a 55Gr Hallow point or 65Gr Soft Lead Tip should be used.

I believe that the AR-15 is the best assualt rifle ever made. If you want a battle rifle, go with a 7.62X51MM class rifle. Other than that. I believe that the DOD should stay with the Ar-15 platform. If you don't clean any weapon system it will jam on you. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Well, if age is the case. Than the browning M2 Heavy Machine Gun and B-52 Stratofortress. The Browning M2 has adopted in 1938 and the B-52 Bomber was adopted in 1952.

The AR-15 series had a bad start. But after all the kinks were taken out. It's a great rifle. I never had a problem with my M4 while I was in Afghanistan. My only issue is the use of the SS109 NATO ball round. Piece of crap, a 55Gr Hallow point or 65Gr Soft Lead Tip should be used.

I believe that the AR-15 is the best assualt rifle ever made. If you want a battle rifle, go with a 7.62X51MM class rifle. Other than that. I believe that the DOD should stay with the Ar-15 platform. If you don't clean any weapon system it will jam on you. PERIOD.

The M2 was adopted in 1932 for ground forces, but was designed in 1921.

Actually they are on the verge of replacing the M2 with the XM312 and then later the XM307.

Of all the OICW weapons systems it's looking like the M2 is going to be the first to be replaced.

The AR-15 series had a bad start. But after all the kinks were taken out. It's a great rifle. never had a problem with my M4 while I was in Afghanistan.

So if the AR15´s had a bad start and needed time to take out the kinks why not take another Rifle that may be a better rifle after some years than the AR 15´s can ever get??? I like the SCAR too, if all the stuff will work that they are planning than you have (this is a german proverb so i hope you understand it) a "egg putting wool-milk-pig" (all-in-Wonder maybe in english?)!!! So if it work give one to me too. But the more features you have the more things can break or just don´t work.

But you also can not say that the G36 is a piece of crap, that isn´t true!
And the XM8 uses mostly the gas system and the inner live of the G36(and that stuff is outstanding) thats it, all the rest at the outside like the plastic that "melts" under extrem heat(and i think this will not happen after 300 rounds = 10 clips wich is most of your ammunition)or this optical sight is the XM8 not a G36! Ok, you can not go over the obstacle course using the XM 8 as a ladder like you do it with your M16(i don´t know it, can you do such things with it please tell me, have no clue), but it´s the same in germany. You can make this things with our good, old and my loving but heavy G3 but not with the G36 it´s just not made to use as a ladder!! It ´s build to work well, shoot good and be lightweight ! But if you want to have a lighter weapon you must use somthing lighter than metal, and that is plastic. But plastic is also not so robust as metal!

If you don't clean any weapon system it will jam on you.

Thats right and i don´t said that i never clean my rifle or german troops never do it, but its not so vulnerable. They don´t "HAVE" to make it twice a day because it´s not necesarry.Thats a fact!

I will not say that the only good weapons are made by H&K, every weapon has it weeknesses and like 5,56X45 said:"nothing is soldier proof". I will also not say that the XM8 is perfect (I totaly agree with the backup sights) but the system is reliable! So why not build up on a system like the XM8 or the FN SCAR??? You can´t also said that the AR 15 is the best thing ever made!!! And if the ammo is a weakness why they don´t fix it?? Ok, the SF get this new SPR Rifle and the xx grains heavier round to have more mannstopping power but what is with the rest of your troops out there??? They face the enemy every day they have more firefights than the SF have, but why the normal trooper´s of the 1st AD or 3rd ID don´t have this Rifle or the better round ??? And buying maybe 5 million rounds of this new and better round to handel out to the troops in Iraq for there patrols or what ever they doing and shooting the old round at the range should not be a problem for a country like the U.S.
I think its the same reason why soldier have to wear older Flakvests instead of IBA or Mich helmets at the beginning of the war.

And i bet you all know why????
MONEY
And that´s the point why somthing is Dropped or not!!! Regardless what weaknesses or Company!!!

Joker