About would the confederates have helped the Nazis
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I guess the acual idea behind that was the confederates being racists and for slavery but i think that Le is right, they wouldn't have any reason to team up with the germans, at that time everyone was racist (or close to) and that didn't keep them from fighting each other.
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Confederates were Americans too. Let us not forget that they died fighting for “another” America, though one with a nearly identical vision, and they lie buried at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia. They were fighting for their country to remain free under their own constitution which was written remarkably similar to the original U.S. Constitution.
Descendents of these same Confederates then rose again and helped defeat the Nazis, to whom they by some are unjustly compared. At this very moment, yet another generation of Confederates is fighting on the other side of the globe against terrorists. Anyone knowledgeable of history should be disturbed by the comparison of the Confederacy to the Nazis. Anyone from the South should be deeply offended. The Nazis had the murderous SS. The Confederates had “good ol’ boys.”
I saw a ghost behind the door, when the kids were coming home from the war, with broken dreams and nothing more!
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I guess theres something bad about the “good ol’ boys” if you just keep looking.
I dont want to compare them with the real murderous Nazis (dont just say the SS its not like all of the SS were the bad guys.... you got the idea) anyway its all just a question of the perspective you could also say "The Nazis were just fighting for a better world" wich they were somehow doing.... in theyr own very special way.... for theyr own very special world...
And just to mention just because youre from the south that doesn't mean youre Confederate, as long as you dont wanna slave black guys.... that is the main difference right?
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With respect to the SS, I don´t think we should go into such a discussion.
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Confederate objectives info
I find this scenario absurd. The Confederates weren't fighting because they had an unnatural hatred of blacks; they were fighting in order to break off from the rest of the United States to preserve their way of life and their economy, which was largely dependent on slave labor. They did not put blacks in concentration camps or perform gory experiments on them. They did not burn them in ovens by the millions. Yes, a lot of southerners were racist, but they wouldn't have been foolish enough to follow a man like Hitler, especially if the northerners were fighting against him.
|July 15th, 2010||#10|
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wow - that's jumping to an conclusion bridging almost 80 years.
Well let me try
"IF" the Confederates would have won - would they have formed an independent country such as Confederate States of America CSA? or would they have remained within the USA but with their own preferential federative rights?
Let's asume that they would have formed a CSA. It would IMHO have been a State with a strong racial and conservative mindset. The only possible ally or friend they would have had, might have been Imperial Germany, Britain or France. Britain might not have shared their racial views in the long run - and in regards to facing the Union towards Canada - might have prefered to stay rather neutral, which would leave Germany and France.
The high society and therefore the politicians of the CSA were certainly more attached or attracted towards the French culture - and in 1865 the most powerfull country in Europe would have been France, so rather unlikely that Germany would have become the close buddy and Allied of the CSA.
In that case what would the CSA have done during the French-Prussian war in 1871/2 and what would they have done in 1914?
I believe that the CSA political mindset would have been far more towards isolationism then even a Roosevelt USA. I believe that the CSA would have remained neutral in both conflicts. With only the Union maybe entering WWI in 1918 - it is very likely for Germany not to have lost in a Versaille context - as such there would never have been a Hitler.
Would the CSA still be a slave holder country in 1920? - I guess not but somewhat of an Arpartheid country. Was there a Jewish problem or a noticable Jewish population in the CSA? - I would say no. A problem with communists? also I would say - no.
So what would have been a binding issue between the Nazis and those agricultural CSA fellows? they would already have an Arpartheid system - what more would a racial minded society need?
The CSA would propably have been quite open towards a HJ or simmilar Nazi organisations in their country - such as South Africa or the USA in the 30's, but they would have still forwarded an isolationism policy.
As such the CSA government would not have helped or allied with the Nazis - and they would also not have gone to war. But they would have tried to make some CSA$ in trading with the Nazis.
Okay back to 1865 - I am dead sure that if the Union would have lost the war - they would have produced more cannons and weapons in the next 5 years and then it would have been war again - I simply can't believe that the far stronger Washington would have ever accepted a CSA or a CSA to break away from the USA.
Just my two cents worth
Man who goes to bed with itchy bumb - wakes up with smelly finger - Confucius?
Last edited by Kruska; July 15th, 2010 at 00:41..