I tried that last night at home and it didn't download the video. Just put a link on my desktop.

All of the statements she makes are the exact same as those my wife has told me. She is a smart woman and they will try to have her killed no doubt... being a religion of peace and all that.

I don't disagree with 'everything' she said ... I just disagree with her when it comes to the rest of the world. As long as the rest of the world doesn't buy into the "all Muslims are part of the war" syndrome, we still have some hope that WE won't spiral down to the the same level as the extremist zealot Muslin terrorists, and stoop to the use of some of the same tactics that they use.

IF we ever decide that this fight is 'just' about religion, we will loose ourselves.

And MH - in someways, we did say the same thing ... the point is that we can NOT allow it to become a religious war where WE are concerned.

Failure to recognise the true nature of the threat is already the doom of Europe. Political correctness and an inability to understand the vast and devastating differences between enlightment and medeval thought. Iran is a shining example of what Islam intends. It IS the embodiment of what the religion calls for. Throughout the history of mankind people in all cultures have continuously displayed an alarming trait to never think the worst and recognise the atrocities at their door step until it is too late. As late as June of 1943 Marshall and Roosevelt listened to tales of the Nazi death camps and called these refugees liars and refused point blank to give them any credence. At this juncture in time we have an opportunity to change that but it seems the politically correct and the politically expedient will rule the day... again.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

Failure to recognise the true nature of the threat is already the doom of Europe. Political correctness and an inability to understand the vast and devastating differences between enlightment and medeval thought. Iran is a shining example of what Islam intends. It IS the embodiment of what the religion calls for. Throughout the history of mankind people in all cultures have continuously displayed an alarming trait to never think the worst and recognise the atrocities at their door step until it is too late. As late as June of 1943 Marshall and Roosevelt listened to tales of the Nazi death camps and called these refugees liars and refused point blank to give them any credence. At this juncture in time we have an opportunity to change that but it seems the politically correct and the politically expedient will rule the day... again.

So whats the answer the worlds billion or so christians form and army and attack the billion or so muslims in some apocalyptic battle of religions until one side is exterminated?
I think we tried that 1000 years ago and lost... repeatedly.

While it may be nice to hide behind emotive terminology such as "Nazi death camps" and consigning Europe to the scrap heap of history the fact is there is no clear cut answer because the people we are fighting are a very small fraction of one very large religion.

So rather than repeatedly telling us the sky is falling and its all our fault how about giving us your solution to this issue in direct and clear terms.

We didn't start the fight but the solution is to finish it.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

We didn't start the fight but the solution is to finish it.

Yeah yeah Damn the torpedo's, hoist the cannon, load the main sail, come on punk make my day, get your dirty hands off me you damned dirty ape... see I also know several cliche's now how about an answer to the question.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Yeah yeah Damn the torpedo's, hoist the cannon, load the main sail, come on punk make my day, get your dirty hands off me you damned dirty ape... see I also know several cliche's now how about an answer to the question.

He gave you the solution. Finish the fight. Finish what we started. Set up Iraq as a democratic state, which incidentally they seem to want to one degree or another. This will create at least a toehold into the islamic world that will allow for the freedoms enjoyed by most of the rest of the world. Perhaps it will allow for some of that influence to boil over to the more hardline islamic countries.

Originally Posted by Marinerhodes

He gave you the solution. Finish the fight. Finish what we started. Set up Iraq as a democratic state, which incidentally they seem to want to one degree or another. This will create at least a toehold into the islamic world that will allow for the freedoms enjoyed by most of the rest of the world. Perhaps it will allow for some of that influence to boil over to the more hardline islamic countries.

I think it is a nifty theory but one that would have been better applied to Afghanistan and not a secular nation that is now more likely to end up with an anti-west pro-Iranian government and a bunch of Kurds waiting to form its own nation once the "coalition" has gone.

I am sorry but I just dont buy the "toehold" argument as there are already a handful of stable semi pro-western countries in the middle east that it would have been an far easier, faster and less painful job to swing towards "model nation" status than either Iraq or Afghanistan for example Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

So no I dont accept that "finish the fight" is a solution it is simply a scattergun response used when you dont really have an answer.

MontyB
You are just as guilty as those you accuse of NOT SEEING.

You are the one who is blind, at least the rest of us realise that we don't have all of the answers. Your answer is NO ANSWER.