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September 15th, 2006   Post 1
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Post; Worst US President, Carter - Must Read!


Read this great piece and see how this man has been acting since he began his public life.

I just cant stop hating him for what he has done and is doing now...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20232
 
September 15th, 2006   Post 2
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I once heard that hatred is based on fear, and many times I have seen this confirmed. So therefor my question: what is it your fear so much about the democrats and in this case Carter?
 
September 15th, 2006   Post 3
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted
I once heard that hatred is based on fear, and many times I have seen this confirmed. So therefor my question: what is it your fear so much about the democrats and in this case Carter?
My fear? LoL... are you kidding me? Is it another european hypothesis you developed?

Well, I just think Democrats fit to run North Korea better. They shouldn't be trusted to run America for many years to come. They are incompetent and defeatists. They'd weaken America if they take power
 
September 15th, 2006   Post 4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted
I once heard that hatred is based on fear, and many times I have seen this confirmed. So therefor my question: what is it your fear so much about the democrats and in this case Carter?
I am sure I PMed you about these arguments.
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However in this case I would argue that it is less fear and more discrimination that drives the argument.
Essentially some people are so blinded by the party tag that they would vote a chimp into power if thats what their party put up which oddly enough means that the real power in elections falls to the percentage that are "swing voters" ie people that really have no firm convictions.

I think its one of the great failings of 2 party systems.
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September 15th, 2006   Post 5
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Carter was far from the worst US president. He actually did have some success such as the Sharm-el-Sheik agreement in 1979. Plus he has been a very effective ex-president on a variety of issues. Not even the staunched of conservatives can criticize his humanitarian work.

If you really want to measure the worst, that would be Bush (all of the below). Followed by Buchanan (allowed the Civil War to occur), Harding (Corrupt), Hoover (obsolete, ideologue and ineffective). Dishonourable mentions: Carter (ineffective), Wilson (dishonest), A.Johnson (coddled the confederacy, killed reconstruction), Reagan (ineffective, obsolete, dishonest) and Jackson (a plethora of bad ideas).

Im sure some of you will disagree, please note the difference between effectiveness vs popularity. Jackson for example was/is a popular president, but not a particularily good one.
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September 15th, 2006   Post 6
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You forgot Clinton (dishonest, horrible leader)
 
September 15th, 2006   Post 7
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Disregarding the rants from some of the posts below.

Jimmy Carter might not be the worst president we ever but he was lacking in leadership abilities. He had small successes while he was president but for the most part was as wishy-washy as any man that has ever held the office.

Jimmy's heart was always in the right place he could not overcome the Charlie Brown mentality that was ingrained in his peanut growing background.

Jimmy is a better ex-president than he ever was as a president. He needs to stay out of the public light and out of political discussions. He only harms any democratic candidate that might be running for office.

His legacy is one of failure more than one of success.
 
September 15th, 2006   Post 8
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Originally Posted by Senior Chief
Disregarding the rants from some of the posts below.

Jimmy Carter might not be the worst president we ever but he was lacking in leadership abilities. He had small successes while he was president but for the most part was as wishy-washy as any man that has ever held the office.

Jimmy's heart was always in the right place he could not overcome the Charlie Brown mentality that was ingrained in his peanut growing background.

Jimmy is a better ex-president than he ever was as a president. He needs to stay out of the public light and out of political discussions. He only harms any democratic candidate that might be running for office.

His legacy is one of failure more than one of success.

Well I agree with everything you except "harms any democratic candidate". Would you care care to provide evdence to that statement. I never saw a single candidate that whose candidancy was actually harmed by Carter, and one of the people Carter endorsed became U.S President #43. So obviously that statement is false.

I reiterate, Carter was not a good President, but he was far from the worst.

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You might personally not like Clinton, thats your right. But be advised that your're in the minority. Aside from the ardent GOP loyalists, whom are so narrowminded that they would never support a democrat on anything, most people have a favorable opinion of Clinton.

I am familiar with all the Anti-Clinton arguements, most are without merit. But even if were we accept everything said about him as the truth, he still wouldn't be considered the worst, or even the worst 5. No matter how you spin it, he did do some good. Even excluding W, there were FAR worse.

I'll add one more as "Most Overrated": JFK.

Last edited by mmarsh; September 15th, 2006 at 13:06.
 
September 15th, 2006   Post 9
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Liberals......gosh

I love how they will sit there and toot their horn and dismiss any critisizim with it having no merit...

Carter

Pissed off Iran causing them to take 50 American Hostages and if that wasnt enough he also botched the rescue mission...albeit he did get them released before leaving office....

Had scandals up the wazu some of which including his family and goverments in the middle east

Oh yeah and his alternative fuel idea worked real well....But hey he did encourage OPEC to raise the prices on oil and cause a recession....

Nope def no merit there what so ever....

Bush the worse president...hahaha...he may not be the greatest and I may not agree with everything he does but he by far is not the worse....
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September 15th, 2006   Post 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
Carter was far from the worst US president. He actually did have some success such as the Sharm-el-Sheik agreement in 1979. Plus he has been a very effective ex-president on a variety of issues. Not even the staunched of conservatives can criticize his humanitarian work.

If you really want to measure the worst, that would be Bush (all of the below). Followed by Buchanan (allowed the Civil War to occur), Harding (Corrupt), Hoover (obsolete, ideologue and ineffective). Dishonourable mentions: Carter (ineffective), Wilson (dishonest), A.Johnson (coddled the confederacy, killed reconstruction), Reagan (ineffective, obsolete, dishonest) and Jackson (a plethora of bad ideas).

Im sure some of you will disagree, please note the difference between effectiveness vs popularity. Jackson for example was/is a popular president, but not a particularily good one.
even a 7 yr old kid could do what Carter did with regards to mideast peace negotiations.

It was Anvar Sadat who was willing to negotiate with Israelis after series of defeats in the hands of Jewish state.

Carter is and was the worst US president. Clinton is the 2nd worst POTUS for sure.
 



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