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March 19th, 2005   Post 31
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Damn if wasn't Nam...
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March 22nd, 2005   Post 32
melkor the first
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I'd like to nominate (but won't) both the war of independence and the war of 1812 both for the blatent hypocrisy of declaring the rights to decide for ourselves and then invading Canada for the sake of conquest but the Spanish-American War is breathtaking in its imperialism.This from the country which trumpeted the Monroe Doctrine! The US-Mexican Land-Grab, I mean War, was not unexpected but Jeez, there is a world of difference between grabbin g Texas and grabbing the Philipines.
 
March 22nd, 2005   Post 33
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Just a couple of points there. Texas at the time of the Mexican American War was a Republic who had won it's independence in a Revolution. The Texas bone of Contention was that although Santa Ana had ceased claim to Texas north of the Nueces River, Antonio did not want the US offically recognizing Texas as an independent nation and definitely did not want them accepted into the Union as a State. General Santa Ana had every intention of reconquering Texas. He had only granted Texas Independence to save his own fuzzy butt at San Jacinto. So any land grab of Texas was that area South of the Nueces to the Rio Grande.

Other than that. Yes it was a orchestrated land grab of the Southwest and California.
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March 22nd, 2005   Post 34
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Your choices Melkor are all political and have nothing to do with tactical or strategic blunders which is the topic of this thread.
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March 23rd, 2005   Post 35
melkor the first
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Post; Worst


Must stick to my guns. The topic does not specify blunders but the worst moment in one's country's military history. Even the most ardent critics of our current military ventures must concede that these are not imperialistic. While you can argue over the strategic and tactical merits of the Vietnamese or Korean Conflicts, these do not come close to being as unworthy of a great nation. Sorry, no disrespect meant to anyone.
 
March 23rd, 2005   Post 36
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Vietnam, but hold on while I think of a better one...


oh, forget about it. 'nam STANK.

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March 23rd, 2005   Post 37
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The topic does not specify blunders but the worst moment in one's country's military history.
My mistake. For some reason I thought I was in the other discussion. That's what I get for typing here and talking to the wife at the same time.
 
March 23rd, 2005   Post 38
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Stalin's purges or invasion of Finland
 
March 23rd, 2005   Post 39
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the bombing of darwin was a major blow to australias morale as a nation. its often thought that we are too far away from where everything happens to really have something happen on our doorstep, and well, it did
or gallipoli
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March 23rd, 2005   Post 40
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Originally Posted by melkor the first
Must stick to my guns. The topic does not specify blunders but the worst moment in one's country's military history. Even the most ardent critics of our current military ventures must concede that these are not imperialistic. While you can argue over the strategic and tactical merits of the Vietnamese or Korean Conflicts, these do not come close to being as unworthy of a great nation. Sorry, no disrespect meant to anyone.
Tell ya what I'll Start a Mexican American War thread if you have any real interest in discussing it. And you can Start threads concerning the Spanish American War, Banana Wars, or anything else you wish. However Discuss it. Don't just throw out unqaulified rhetoric.