Topic: Worst Moment in Your Country's Millitary History 12

Ted · October 2nd, 2005

Coming from a not-so-militant country we had our fair share of "black page" massacres. But if I stick to emberassing moment:

We lost our fleet to the French cavalry when Napolean invaded. We let the ships get stuck in the ice of the "Zuiderzee" and the French just rode their horses over the ice, surrounded the lot and pretty soon it was clear that the Dutch were caught with their pants down.....

If haven't heard of any other navy loosing to mounted cavalry!

Padre · November 3rd, 2005

After Gallipoli, I would nominate for Australia, the Eureka stockade battle in 1854 near Ballarat, between armed miners (mix of immigrants and Australians) who declared themselves independent and hoisted their own flag and were fired on and defeated by a British regiment. It is Australia's closest thing to a civil war. There were deaths, casualties and heroes on both sides.

sandy · November 18th, 2005

It was just pearl hurbor and August15
In that time economy of japan depends on US.
Japan shouldn,t begin that war.
War that has been started for imagination.

MightyMacbeth · November 19th, 2005

when alexander navy landed!

Fox · November 19th, 2005

Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941. US Navy and Army got suprise attacked by Japanese.

FULLMETALJACKET · November 22nd, 2005

Pearl Harbor and im not sure if this counts but 9/11?

godofthunder9010 · November 22nd, 2005

The last helicopter leaving Saigon in 1975. First an only case of the United States suffering a clear and humiliating loss in any war. (There are cases that are debatable, but nobody in their right mind will argue that the USA won in Vietnam.)

Every other war effort was a victory or at minimum a draw by its end. Vietnam was the only absolute defeat of the USA.

The votes for Pearl Harbor, the Civil War and others are quite interesting, but I've got to say the final anticlimactic end of the Vietnam War Era for the same reason that many Chinese members choose the Opium War: Humiliation. Embarrassment. The simple fact that we never were able and never will be able to redeem ourselves from that defeat/failure.

Sadist Dream · November 26th, 2005

Viet Nam.

The American Armed Forces fought well and defeated their enemy on the battlefield, but was defeated by their own people in the homeland - the politicians, the protestors, and the timid American people - and it exhibited a kind of weakness that still haunts this nation today.

Our enemies of today believe that America is a "paper tiger", and with good reason; as long as they continue to bleed us little by little, waging a war of atrition, a death by a thousand cuts, we will eventually cut and run like we did in Viet Nam, Beirut, and Somalia. Showing weakness only emboldens our current enemies, the Islamofascists only understand power, we must not back down!

mmarsh · November 29th, 2005

Sadist

Im not saying your wrong, I agree with most of it. However your examples made me think of something.

Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia.

Question: What do these 3 countries have in common?

Answer: All 3 were in the midst of a violent civil war in which the US made the mistake of sticking its nose into...and deeply regreted it later.

Speaks a powerful arguement about us minding our own beeswax...

Sadist Dream · November 29th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Sadist

Im not saying your wrong, I agree with most of it. However your examples made me think of something.

Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia.

Question: What do these 3 countries have in common?

Answer: All 3 were in the midst of a violent civil war in which the US made the mistake of sticking its nose into...and deeply regreted it later.

Speaks a powerful arguement about us minding our own beeswax...

I agree completely, unless we or our interests are in danger.

November 19th, 2005	Post 114
MightyMacbeth I am Honor Gear	when alexander navy landed! __________________ ~when a man does his best, what else is there? Gen.George S.Patton

November 19th, 2005	Post 115
Fox Can you hear me now? Gear	Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941. US Navy and Army got suprise attacked by Japanese. __________________ Why should I have to "Press 1 for English?" --Every American

November 22nd, 2005	Post 116
FULLMETALJACKET MilForum Bad Apple Gear	Pearl Harbor and im not sure if this counts but 9/11? __________________ "For Democracy, any man would give his only begotten son."

November 22nd, 2005	Post 117
godofthunder9010 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	The last helicopter leaving Saigon in 1975. First an only case of the United States suffering a clear and humiliating loss in any war. (There are cases that are debatable, but nobody in their right mind will argue that the USA won in Vietnam.) Every other war effort was a victory or at minimum a draw by its end. Vietnam was the only absolute defeat of the USA. The votes for Pearl Harbor, the Civil War and others are quite interesting, but I've got to say the final anticlimactic end of the Vietnam War Era for the same reason that many Chinese members choose the Opium War: Humiliation. Embarrassment. The simple fact that we never were able and never will be able to redeem ourselves from that defeat/failure. __________________ "It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - General Robert E. Lee Warning, critical pebkac error in the iD10t!! pebkac\wtflolurpwnzd\snafuroflmao.exe called iD10t, iD10t failed to respond!! System in danger!! "It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man." -Chevy Chase

October 2nd, 2005	Post 111
Ted Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Coming from a not-so-militant country we had our fair share of "black page" massacres. But if I stick to emberassing moment: We lost our fleet to the French cavalry when Napolean invaded. We let the ships get stuck in the ice of the "Zuiderzee" and the French just rode their horses over the ice, surrounded the lot and pretty soon it was clear that the Dutch were caught with their pants down..... If haven't heard of any other navy loosing to mounted cavalry!

November 3rd, 2005	Post 112
Padre Milforum Chaplain Gear	After Gallipoli, I would nominate for Australia, the Eureka stockade battle in 1854 near Ballarat, between armed miners (mix of immigrants and Australians) who declared themselves independent and hoisted their own flag and were fired on and defeated by a British regiment. It is Australia's closest thing to a civil war. There were deaths, casualties and heroes on both sides.

November 18th, 2005	Post 113
sandy Primus Pilus Gear	It was just pearl hurbor and August15 In that time economy of japan depends on US. Japan shouldn,t begin that war. War that has been started for imagination.

November 26th, 2005	Post 118
Sadist Dream Milites Gregarius	Viet Nam. The American Armed Forces fought well and defeated their enemy on the battlefield, but was defeated by their own people in the homeland - the politicians, the protestors, and the timid American people - and it exhibited a kind of weakness that still haunts this nation today. Our enemies of today believe that America is a "paper tiger", and with good reason; as long as they continue to bleed us little by little, waging a war of atrition, a death by a thousand cuts, we will eventually cut and run like we did in Viet Nam, Beirut, and Somalia. Showing weakness only emboldens our current enemies, the Islamofascists only understand power, we must not back down!

November 29th, 2005	Post 119
mmarsh Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Sadist Im not saying your wrong, I agree with most of it. However your examples made me think of something. Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia. Question: What do these 3 countries have in common? Answer: All 3 were in the midst of a violent civil war in which the US made the mistake of sticking its nose into...and deeply regreted it later. Speaks a powerful arguement about us minding our own beeswax...