Austrian military trials then compared the AUG with the FN FAL (Austrian Stg 58 in 7.62mm NATO), the Czech Vz58 in 7.62x39 ComBloc, and the 5.56mm NATO FN CAL and Colt M16A1. The AUG proved to be at least as reliable as any of its competitors. It also proved to be superior in accuracy potential, target acquisition, handling characteristics, and full-auto fire controllability. In short, the AUG proved to be a winner.

And this quote from the same article.

The AUG has been carefully engineered to avoid excessive complication. It's also been engineered to provide the soldier or policeman with several weapons in one.

AUG is a system. Four different barrels fit any receiver in a matter of seconds. That makes four different weapons.

The stock covers nearly everything that can be damaged on an AUG

Do I need to keep quoting

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

so why don't you like the bullpup design?

personally i love it and have never had any problems with it....just curious.

Because on the M16 I have the option of putting a hand on the magazine to steady my shots...bullpup design seems a little too much like a pistol for me...just awkward for long-range shooting.

Apparently the bullpups are awkward for shooting long range. But on the plus side I hear they are easier to move around than the standard format.

Originally Posted by c/Commander

Because on the M16 I have the option of putting a hand on the magazine to steady my shots...bullpup design seems a little too much like a pistol for me...just awkward for long-range shooting.

and that would be what the foward hand grip is for...

Yup, the AUG has the handgrip.
I still dont like bullpups but that really is a matter of personal preference. I believe that the AUG can be adapted for left handed use as well, which straightens out the problem the SA80 has.

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

and that would be what the foward hand grip is for...

...And the rear handgrip is still too far forward to be useful. Face it, the AUG and the SA80 are not range weapons.

sweet then....whats the max usefull range of an m-16?

When sniping with the HBAR, I got better accuracy without holding the foregrip. The support hand should be placed under the magazine catch above the butt hook when firing off the bipod in the prone position.

plus with an interchangable barrel and scope setup i'm sure you could get quite reasonable accuracy at range.


but we aren't talking about a snipers weapon are we? we're talkin about a general purpose rifle.

why not just say it...YOU DON'T LIKE BULLPUPS?

the rifle doesn't "fall apart" it isn't badly made.....YOU JUST DON'T LIKE BULLPUPS!

Because on the M16 I have the option of putting a hand on the magazine to steady my shots...bullpup design seems a little too much like a pistol for me...just awkward for long-range shooting.

I gotta ask you, what kind of "long range shooting" experience with the Styer have you got to back up your claim? Have you got a resource to back it up?

If you have to, read this again.

It also proved to be superior in accuracy potential, target acquisition, handling characteristics, and full-auto fire controllability. In short, the AUG proved to be a winner.

accuracy,acquisition, and handling characteristics.... hmmmm.... they all seem pretty important to the overall issue of shooting, long-medium-or-short-range.

Originally Posted by AussieNick

I gotta ask you, what kind of "long range shooting" experience with the Styer have you got to back up your claim? Have you got a resource to back it up?

300 meter range with a civilian (semi auto only) Steyr that my uncle owns. I dunno, I guess I'm just waaay too used to the M16. (Which, to answer another question, has a MER of around 550 meters.)

The IW-Steyr is not too bad a weapon. It does have issues in climate extremes (large amounts of sand and dust in one extreme, long exposure in a wet environment - especially if the rifle isn't new it tends to get ALOT of surface rust). In saying that though all weapons have their draw backs!!!

The only mechanical issues with Steyr is the M-203 variant and the optic sight (2-3 rounds from the M-203 knock the optics out), and depending on the age of the weapon shearing of the gas parts (gas plug) when live firing!!! (not uncommon, but not an everyday occurence).

Overall though, it is a robust weapon!!! Nice and compact so easy to work with the weapon slung. It also is alot more ergonomically designed than SA-80 (by far one of the worst weapons I have had the misfortune of playing with). Very reliable and already have trusted my life on it/ with it!!!