AK-47
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as01-e.htm

AK-74
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as02-e.htm

M-16
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

From the same source so less unbiased, ive included AK-74 as it uses a round more similar to that of the M-16.
The M-16A2 has a greater range than both other guns though the M-16A1 has a lower range than the AK-74.

On http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka50.html
it reads 800 meters sighting range and 1500 meters killing range for the AK-47. I did the math for the area range.

Holy ****, those numbers are way off

The average shooter can hit a target at 500 meters with an M16. With an AK-47, 200 meters. The Ak-74 is like 400.

Originally Posted by GSO

On http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka50.html
it reads 800 meters sighting range and 1500 meters killing range for the AK-47. I did the math for the area range.

Sighting range does not mean effective range..
It's the max range you can adjust the rear sight to, but you probably wont hit a barn door at that distance...

For MOUT it is not a bad weapon and police SWAT teams swear by the M-16

It is not, however, the first or even second choice for MOUT.

The bread and butter of SWAT is CQB, the M-16 is too long to constantly maneuver in and out of rooms, around your teammates, etc not to mention the 5.56 has no trouble going through walls and into another officer.

Gee Whiz, You acccept everything your read as the truth and you don't have a sense of humor. I was just shaking the bushes to see what I could see and apparently that was a mistake. Bye, it was short but bitter sweet.

Originally Posted by GSO

Gee Whiz, You acccept everything your read as the truth and you don't have a sense of humor. I was just shaking the bushes to see what I could see and apparently that was a mistake. Bye, it was short but bitter sweet.

This sounds like a pout, to me.

You are not the only one with experience on this forum, do well to remember that and show respect as you are given it.

Originally Posted by GSO

Gee Whiz, You acccept everything your read as the truth and you don't have a sense of humor.

It seems to me that you were the one that believes what you read is the truth as other sources were shown that showed what you were saying for ranges might not be correct! I dont know what the actual range is, i wont know unlss i actually fired the rifle, you have to be careful with your sources especially makers/group info as they are usually biased!

I didnt see anything funny! (maybe im a sad git )

I'm not a big fan of 3-round burst rifles of any kinds. IMHO 3-round burst was invented by someone without a firm grasp of the "sturmgewehr" concept.

For those of you who made disparaging comments about full-auto, a little bit of history why we have assault rifles (the military kind, not the Sarah Brady-kind).

In the bad old days (WWII), your typical infantry squad had a mix of weapons. Riflemen carried an M1 Garand (for efficient medium- to long-range killing), a couple of guys carried a BAR (for suppressive fire), and a couple of guys either had grease guns (M3s) or Thompsons (M1s). A few people in the platoon (usually the management) got to carry "Personal Defense Weapons" -- the M1 Carbine in those days (which IMHO lacks nothing in comparison to the current crop of PDWs like the FN P90 or HK MP7 that have gun writers salivating -- but I digress).

The Germans had a similar mix of weapons. Riflemen carried the K98, a couple of guys had MG42s (yes, I know we had M1919s, but only John Wayne could carry one), and a couple of guys had MP40s.

Now, those grease guns, Thompsons and MP40s were very specialized tools that were useful maybe 5% of the time, but that 5% of the time, nothing did the job better. Those 5%-kinds of jobs were room clearing, bunker clearing and trench clearing.

The Germans, being big fans of efficiency, were the first ones to realize that it didn't make sense to dedicate such a large amount of personnel resources (about 25%) to operate a tool that could only be EFFECTIVELY employed about 5% of the time. Hence, was born the "sturmgewehr", a dual purpose tool that was mainly used for medium- to long-range killing for the rifleman, but with the flick of a selector switch (select-fire, baby!), could be used in those INFREQUENT moments when you absolutely, positively have to empty a magazine.

3-round burst means that a skilled rifleman gets 1 round hit, 2 rounds miss; an unskilled rifleman gets 3 rounds missed. And when you need that room-broom, you're looking for the guy that can empty the magazine of his new-fangled MP5, or some other equally useless toy that only impresses Sarah Brady-types.

My problem on full auto is with a light weapon like the 16. Like I stated before, the inclusion of the SAW made it easier to have a base of fire weapon for a fire team since using the A1 in full auto was essentially useless since keeping on target was a nighmare.