Originally Posted by senojekips

So true! Unfortunate but true.
Except in the case of the Japanese who came second, but have a completely different version of the War taught in their schools. No mention of atrocities like the Rape of Nanking or the Bataan Death March etc.

I've often wondered why the Japanese were allowed more latitude in that regard than the Germans were in regards to how they did the Jews of Europe.

Freyberg failed to realise that the struggle for Crete turned on the local battle for Maleme airfield. Like the British staff he was focussed on a sea invasion. Perhaps Norway should have taught them differently?

I would say Monty for the whole Operation Market Garden Fiasco.

Originally Posted by Josh678

I would say Monty for the whole Operation Market Garden Fiasco.

i would call it a gamble more than a fiasco


and a worthy gamble if it could've shortened the war.

problem was, they disregarded vital intelligence, and it all fell apart.


so you're still left with monty being good at what he did, and IMHO, he was over rated, but no where near the worst commander

Market Garden was a gamble that failed and turned into a fiasco.

Although the intelligence was bad, the plan itself was deeply poorly though through and executed. For example, it relied on using one sole highway which was heavily defended. Had they used multiple routes of advance they might have quickly flank the German strongpoints.

Another problem was the plan to mix American Airborne with British Armor. The formula of the 101st Airborne and the U.S 2nd Armored Division had proven to be an excellent combo in Normandy. But in Market-Garden the 101st and the British Guards Armored Division (Part of XXX Corps) had never worked together before and it head to some very awkward situations.


BTW the Anniversery of Market-Garden is Monday...

I think if we would've used the 2nd Armor with the 101st Airbourne it would've been a good operation.Also you must rember Patton had a plan to break through the Siegfried line which I think would've actually ended the war by Christmas.

It was Patton that kept pushing in the south and taking away troops and supplies from the north that gave the Russians so much more of Eastern Germany than they should taken. These actions by Patton handed most of Germany to the Russians on a plate, Patton like many of the generals of the day where looking towards their own achievements rather than at the bigger picture

Originally Posted by Gator

Well, the quote I pulled was Copyrighted to the United States Army.

United States Army people may tend to have a more favorable view in hindsight when dealing with United States Army Commanders.
History is written by the Victors after all.

Not this treadhead, Patton was nothing more than a prema donna who took risks and made decisions that cost alot of lives. His biggest blunder was helping in the decision to use the Sherman series tanks when he knew very well that it did not stand a chance with the German tanks, he traded speed over crew protection and firepower.