Topic: Who won?

2dold4this · August 14th, 2006

Who won the scrap between Israel and Hezbola?

mmarsh · August 14th, 2006

There are no winners in war only losers, in this case the biggest loser were the civilians on both sides.

But to better answer your question. The Isreali strategy was a crushing military victory over Hezbollah. Hezbollahs strategy was to inspire sympathy for their cause. As I perdicted a few weeks ago Isreal failed to inflict a KO to Hezbollah and now the Isreal Government is facing a tital wave of criticize abroad and at home.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081400390.html

Hezbollah on the other hand resisted the Isreal advance (better than most people expected) but their true victory was that succeeded in gathering sympathy in the Middle East. Theirs was a political victory as opposed to a military one. Just read what the Egyptian Foreign minister said today...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/750403.html

Team Infidel · August 14th, 2006

It's a draw.

theannoyingnoob · August 14th, 2006

To an extent I agree with mmarsh. Hizbollah obviously won a big political victory - they created sympathy and support within the Middle East and got a lot of the international community pissed off at Israel. But I think Israel had more military success than it seems. I think they killed more Hizbollah fighters and did more damage to their rocket launching capabilities than it seems at first glance. A crushing blow? No, but certainly one that Hizbollah will have to recover from.

Missileer · August 14th, 2006

No one. But there were a lot of losers, Lebanese and Israeli civilians.

Diponegoro · August 14th, 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2dold4this

Who won the scrap between Israel and Hezbola?

None of them, weapon manufacturer did a big victory.

Chief Bones · August 14th, 2006

Who won - who the h*ll cares? You and I are the biggest losers ... Iran was allowed to twitch their control of Hezbollah and Hamas, and we stood by like bumps on a log, and let them get away with it. All this does is make them that much stronger in the eyes of the other Arab countries in the area and it makes it that much harder when we and the other democracies get around to dealing with their crazy leader and their philosophy of world religious domination.

Every time that Iran is allowed to influence politics in the area they get stronger ... that hurts everyone - the innocent and the not so innocent.

Israel has achieved a temporary breather - Hezbollah and Hamas still exist, and as sure as can be - this breather will NOT last. As soon as the terrorists regroup, rearm and get marching orders from Iran ... the bloodshed will start all over AGAIN (as it has in the past).

As far as your question, Iran is the only winner and everyone else is a loser ... nothing was really settled.

Maytime · August 14th, 2006

The term "winner" and "loser" is relative to time; in the short run, I would agree with Chief Bones in that Iran is the winner. In the long run, however, I think we will be the winner, since the the ball is rolling on the case of Iran vs. the rest of the world. All Iran did was to further expose themselves in this conflict, showing their hand to the nations that hold the real power in the world, and digging themselves a deeper grave. Whether or not we can play the sympathy game as the terrorists have IMO will determine further action against hezbollah, which would spill off to Iran eventually.

Just now I heard Bush going on record about Iran and Syria's involvement with the terrorists, so perhaps the ball is rolling faster than I thought.

But, like many have said, the real losers are the innocents caught in the middle of a petty and childish squabble.

Senior Chief · August 14th, 2006

Interpeting the Bible is a hard thing to do, but it seems clear that the pieces of the end times seem to be coming together.

On Aug. 22 Mars will be appearing in the eastern skies as a red ball. It will be visible through the27th or something like that.

Do you all think we should be concerned?

I just hope that the defication is not about to make contact with the rotary oscillator!

2dold4this · August 14th, 2006

Certainly there are plenty of losers. Civilians that were killed or displaced on both sides of the border lost. Lebanon's economy was wrecked as was the economy of northern Israel. Hezbola didn't annilate Israel but I'm not sure anyone expected that would happen. Israel seems to have lost this one. Israel didn't get its soldiers back and Israel didn't stop the rocket attacks. The cease fire leaves Hezbolla intact and I don't think the U.N. is really going to disarm them or force them away from the border. In 1982, Israel was in the outskirts of Beirut in less than a week's time. Why didn't Israel do the same this time?

August 14th, 2006	Post 1
2dold4this Immunes	Post; Who won? Who won the scrap between Israel and Hezbola?

August 14th, 2006	Post 2
mmarsh Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	There are no winners in war only losers, in this case the biggest loser were the civilians on both sides. But to better answer your question. The Isreali strategy was a crushing military victory over Hezbollah. Hezbollahs strategy was to inspire sympathy for their cause. As I perdicted a few weeks ago Isreal failed to inflict a KO to Hezbollah and now the Isreal Government is facing a tital wave of criticize abroad and at home. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081400390.html Hezbollah on the other hand resisted the Isreal advance (better than most people expected) but their true victory was that succeeded in gathering sympathy in the Middle East. Theirs was a political victory as opposed to a military one. Just read what the Egyptian Foreign minister said today... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/750403.html __________________ "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent. I shall attack." -Foch I get this question a lot. I am from NYC. I fly a French flag because I work for the Paris Office of a International company. Last edited by mmarsh; August 14th, 2006 at 15:54.

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Team Infidel Milforum's Postmaster Gear	It's a draw. __________________

August 14th, 2006	Post 5
Missileer Nuclear Duck Hunter Gear	No one. But there were a lot of losers, Lebanese and Israeli civilians. __________________ “War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” —John Stuart Mill

August 14th, 2006	Post 7
Chief Bones Forums Grumpy Old Man Gear	Post; One winner - the rest losers ........ Who won - who the hll cares? You and I are the biggest losers ... Iran was allowed to twitch their control of Hezbollah and Hamas, and we stood by like bumps on a log, and let them get away with it. All this does is make them that much stronger in the eyes of the other Arab countries in the area and it makes it that much harder when we and the other democracies get around to dealing with their crazy leader and their philosophy of world religious domination. Every time that Iran is allowed to influence politics in the area they get stronger ... that hurts everyone - the innocent and the not so innocent. Israel has achieved a temporary breather - Hezbollah and Hamas still exist, and as sure as can be - this breather will NOT* last. As soon as the terrorists regroup, rearm and get marching orders from Iran ... the bloodshed will start all over AGAIN (as it has in the past). As far as your question, Iran is the only winner and everyone else is a loser ... nothing was really settled. __________________ Fair winds and following seas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < and long may your big jib draw. *-W.R.B. (Chief Bones) FCC(SW) USN(RET)-*

August 14th, 2006	Post 4
theannoyingnoob Milites Gregarius	To an extent I agree with mmarsh. Hizbollah obviously won a big political victory - they created sympathy and support within the Middle East and got a lot of the international community pissed off at Israel. But I think Israel had more military success than it seems. I think they killed more Hizbollah fighters and did more damage to their rocket launching capabilities than it seems at first glance. A crushing blow? No, but certainly one that Hizbollah will have to recover from.

August 14th, 2006	Post 8
Maytime Centurion	The term "winner" and "loser" is relative to time; in the short run, I would agree with Chief Bones in that Iran is the winner. In the long run, however, I think we will be the winner, since the the ball is rolling on the case of Iran vs. the rest of the world. All Iran did was to further expose themselves in this conflict, showing their hand to the nations that hold the real power in the world, and digging themselves a deeper grave. Whether or not we can play the sympathy game as the terrorists have IMO will determine further action against hezbollah, which would spill off to Iran eventually. Just now I heard Bush going on record about Iran and Syria's involvement with the terrorists, so perhaps the ball is rolling faster than I thought. But, like many have said, the real losers are the innocents caught in the middle of a petty and childish squabble. __________________ Trust your hang. Last edited by Maytime; August 14th, 2006 at 20:16.

August 14th, 2006	Post 9
Senior Chief Banned	Interpeting the Bible is a hard thing to do, but it seems clear that the pieces of the end times seem to be coming together. On Aug. 22 Mars will be appearing in the eastern skies as a red ball. It will be visible through the27th or something like that. Do you all think we should be concerned? I just hope that the defication is not about to make contact with the rotary oscillator!

August 14th, 2006	Post 10
2dold4this Immunes	Certainly there are plenty of losers. Civilians that were killed or displaced on both sides of the border lost. Lebanon's economy was wrecked as was the economy of northern Israel. Hezbola didn't annilate Israel but I'm not sure anyone expected that would happen. Israel seems to have lost this one. Israel didn't get its soldiers back and Israel didn't stop the rocket attacks. The cease fire leaves Hezbolla intact and I don't think the U.N. is really going to disarm them or force them away from the border. In 1982, Israel was in the outskirts of Beirut in less than a week's time. Why didn't Israel do the same this time?

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