About WMD's found in Iraq
|June 22nd, 2006||#1|
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You anti-war nuts can now shut-up!!!! info
There are WMDs in Iraq, Saddam is a scumbag, and the United States of America and her allies help liberate a nations from an oppressive government.
So to all of you Anti-War liberals. Cram it up your piece pipe and smoke it!
|June 22nd, 2006||#2|
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Nice find Luis... bam baby... he could go all the way!
So this will take some serious steam outta the "Bush lied and has credibility issues" camp. Hmmm.
"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." - John Steinbeck
|June 22nd, 2006||#3|
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I'm not an anti-war nut ... but ... info
I'm not an anti-war nut ... but ... I still believe that GW misled the world when he decided to invade Iraq.
As far as the article you quoted, read the article a little closer before you get on the 'anti-Bush nuts are wrong' bandwagon.
The article said the following and I
Where has GW's pre-invasion statements been proven valid ... 'huge chemical weapon stockpile', 'large chemical production program', and on and on and on??????? The ONLY thing which this disclosure has done has been to show that Saddam DID NOT have a huge stockpile or a production system in place at the time of the invasion. If he had, our forces would have found a hell of a lot more weapons. As a matter of fact, the independent weapons inspectors reports stated that everything they were able to uncover prior to the invasion led them to believe that there was NO STOCKPILE (and) NO ACTIVE CHEMICAL PROGRAMS in Iraq at the time of the invasion.
SO - where is the big story??? All they have done is try to pump up Bush's numbers (along with the Republican's numbers), prior to the Mid-term Elections (and) the sad fact is they did it with information that has been available since late 2003 ... information which does not support GW's pre-invasion statements to say the least and no matter how they spin the facts they never will.
Last edited by Chief Bones; June 22nd, 2006 at 08:20..
|June 22nd, 2006||#4|
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WMD's found in Iraq info
Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
Wednesday, June 21, 2006
WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."
• Click here to read the declassified portion of the NGIC report.
He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.
"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.
"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.
Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."
Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.
Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."
The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.
He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.
"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.
Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.
"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.
"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.
The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.
At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.
Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.
"This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.
As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.
"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.
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Last edited by Italian Guy; June 22nd, 2006 at 10:01..
|June 22nd, 2006||#5|
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It simple amazes me how people still try to justify this...
Your own article states that the chemicals were pre-Gulf War (meaning they date from Iran-Iran war of the 1980s) degraded, the shells unfilled, and frankly 500 shells is not very much. There are more dangerous chemicals that get blown in the air from the smokestacks in New Jersey then a few obsolete shells. That's a far cry from Bush 'clear danger of WMD' and Blair's claims of '45 minute launch window' of non-exsistant ICBMs. Its like claiming an old broken down and rusted '68 Chevy is really a functioning racecar. Sorry, but that dont fly.
Nor is it the first time FOX NEWS claimed to found WMDs and they seem to be the only running this story. Recycled information from the ministry of propaganda is not news.
I'm sorry but Bones is right this smells more of pre-election politics than news.
Last edited by mmarsh; June 22nd, 2006 at 10:37..
|June 22nd, 2006||#7|
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This is an interesting story but, I think your right the weapons were old and use less.
I'm more interested in General Sada's story. That the weapons were flown to Syria.
Last edited by Rabs; June 22nd, 2006 at 11:45..
|June 22nd, 2006||#10|
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Yes. Let us all laud CNN for only presenting one side of the story.
It may be that 500 is "not very much" but it isn't a bad find in a 437,072 sq km sand pile. I fail to understand how this gets turned around, though. Somehow finding 500 shells of "old" chemicals that are "less dangerous than waste from factories" means that Saddam didn't have WMDs? I may not drive around with a Bush sticker on my car, but I really feel for the guy on this point. They could find an ICBM fueled up on a launch pad in Iraq, and Bush bashers would still claim he lied.
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