Originally Posted by Shadowalker

Stalin gave the USSR the worst possible start to the war for russia, he got rid of the decent officers, didnt believe russia would be attacked, but these problems have always been in the russian military, even in WW1

Stalin was paranoid. He killed all the officers and left russia with out leadership. My great-grandfather used to tell my grandfather about a general...he was 23 and had 3 stars. How was that possible?
He enlisted at 14 and was a sergeant at 15, captain at 16, colonel at 17, 2 star at the end of the war. and eventually recieved 3 stars by 23

When you realy look at the larger picture though it does look as though China, Japan, Germany and America won in the end.

Fortunately for the Allies, Stalin's purge, idiocy and micromanagement of the "Great Patriotc War" was not quite enough to sink the USSR. It almost was though ...

When you realy look at the larger picture though it does look as though China, Japan, Germany and America won in the end.

That's a pretty loaded statement so you better explain what you mean by it.

Originally Posted by Dameon

When you realy look at the larger picture though it does look as though China, Japan, Germany and America won in the end.

How did china win the war?

When we look at it the trade industry did. By a long shot mainly in the building indutry.

Look at those nations now.


EDven though germany may have lost the Battelt they won the war, They got tons of aid from Europe and was armed quite well thanks to the Alies and the Russians in the years which became known as the Cold War.


Japan today thanks to losing the battele and having an American in charge is now one of the richect and most technologicly advanced nations in the world, even making American tech look bad.


America....well America is America.

China- Sure they may have had the butts kicked, But today they aren't exactly one of the weakest nations. If China had not been so badly damaged in WW2 they probably wouldn't have had come under Commie Control and would not be what they are today.

WARNING: ALL CAPS
I AM ASKING WHO WON THE ACTUALL WAR NOT WHO CAME OUT A WINNER

No one actualy wins a war. A Nation cannot realy win a war they only way you can measure who won a war is how they do afterwords. All of the Nation involved in WW2 came out heavily damged and in debt after the war.

The problem is that no single country won the war, it was a partnership between many, but the dominant partner would be the US as they in dropping the atomic bombs finished the war altogether.

That may be true but The USSR through alot of power into the Euro War.