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What about those Chinese dictators and politician they could be ugly too.

Depends whose side you see.

I agree with Guy, Taiwan has the right to chose independence if they choose to do so, and the US has the right to defend them or not.

China is rapidly becoming the largest economy in the world. In order to finish becoming that, their best interests lie in good relations with the USA and the rest of the world that buys their crap. Provoking a major conflict over Taiwan would jeoprodize their economic growth and likely close a lot of markets to them. It would also be a diplomatic nightmare, and their leaders know this. Doesn't mean they won't do it anyway. Communist governments are not well known for doing the intelligent thing.

Once they are the most powerful economy and actually are technologically up-to-date, all bets are off.

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And Saint, I am sure you certainly will die when that happen.

Well.. I don't mind dying in that case... what a (Saintly) way to die, I should say.

Wasn't Taiwan a Japanese colony for at least 50 years?
Japan got Taiwan because China gave up the island.
That proves the point.. that Taiwan has already been independent from China a century ago. By consent from China at that time.
http://www.wufi.org.tw/eng/timovmnt.htm
http://www.geocities.com/apapadimos/..._History_4.htm
http://www.japan-guide.com/forum/dis...y.html?0+12411

And now, China wants Taiwan back.
I think China suddenly becomes aware of Taiwan due to Taiwanese investment in China when China opened up its economy in 1980s. Now China got a taste that Taiwan has $$$ and is therefore eyeing the island.
Previously, before opening its economy, communist China doesn't understand what $$$ can do and so forgot Taiwan from 1950s to late 1970s.

But a communist China doing business and loving $$$ doesn't make it democratic. In fact, as fanatical as China was with Communist doctrines from '50s to late '70s, now the fanaticism has become for the love of money $$$. Money tastes good, now China knows. But that doesn't make China less communist. It's just a distorted way of Communism..

And when Communism turns Greedy, it'll be Ugly..

Donot related US history to other country's history, totally different stories. Founders of USA were great and that does not mean "founding any country" equals great.

They must not have been seen that way back In 1776, no one could tell how we would end up. Yes, founding a country could lead to bad things, But If you belive In Democracy, then you must accept the principals of natural unalienable rights. One of these rights Is to be governed as a sovriegn nation. If they choose to rebel, let them, who are you to stop them?

Is it possible that in the event of an invasion the UN would pass through a resolution to hel Taiwan something similar to Korea back in 1950 and what would the efect of this be?

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proteinxx,
You make a good point In democracy, and God knows I have doubts about the system. Your right of course, why cant anyone have their own democracy, their own country. Frankly, I think Taiwan, If they feel they are different enough of the manland Chinese, have the right to govern according to the wishes of there people, just how your so called "Texas Redneck's,", which I assume you mean Evangical Christians, should have a right to set up there own society, because the rest of society does not accomidate their needs.

It's obviouse English is not your first language, so I am having a problem understanding just what you mean. Now I do not know what the Taiwanese people want, but they should be able to get what they want, and If they want Independece, let them have It. There is no hidden meaning to going to war with China, In fact the US probobly wont intervein If Taiwan is invaded. But remember who's going to be killing whom Sir, and that In such a situation, the Chinese will be the ones blowing up school and offices.

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Because democracy Is not fair, and democracy Is not perfect. I think very much like you, I am skeptical of democracy, because I see that it is hypocritical In nature.

That congressmen you refer to, probobly does not want his position of power to be overlooked, he doesn't want to loose his influence. The same questions arose during the civil war.
But lets get back on topic....