About Will the battle tank become obsolete? Page 13
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|November 29th, 2008||#123|
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That said the country was stable, after US invasion well over half a milion died to this date and the country 'is' in ruin, by removing him you destroyed Iraq ( and stole their resources ).
|November 29th, 2008||#124|
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I'm very very interested by the topic discussed here.
But it's kinda offtopic... So, can we please go back to the tanks becoming obsolete?
and if someone starts a topic about that, please leave a link here...
and Sherman, can you tell us how far we are from the day when sorties with tanks become too dangerous...
My idea is pretty simple. I was thinking about the Iraqui forces and their tanks against the US army. the US army developped very efficient anti tank missiles... and I think about the Javelin system rather than the AT4 and such...
I mean really top of the line hardware to fight tanks...
The day the soldiers will be equiped with such intelligent missiles, with fire and forget capabilities... using tanks against them will be suicide.
And I can add helicopters to the list too.
The day the Mujahideen had the Stinger missile in Afghanistan, the Russian helicopters lost their value in the battlefield... or at least, a big part of their value... they had to change tactics and limit their usefulness in the battlefield...
But what if the Mujahideen had better missiles? like missile capable of targeting a low flying aircraft, or a high altitude target?
The bombers and the helicopters would be completely obsolete.
Why we use tanks? because they are armored and hard to kill.
The day they will be easy to kill... The tanks will be useless.
They may be useful to carry big guns... But why all the heavy armor if the first enemy they meet can send them a missile from 5000yards to blow the whole vehicule...
They will start to use lightly armored trucks to carry guns...
And these days, we have intelligent artillery rounds, or even better... smart artillery missiles. Capable of identifying a tank pretty easily...
I think that today, the tank is arleady obsolete. But we still have lowtech enemies, who dont have the tools to fight the tanks...
It's like if I told you that revolvers are obsolete as weapons of war... But somewhere on this earth, there is still people fighting with bows and arrows... So the revolvers might do the trick against such targets...
|November 29th, 2008||#125|
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I dont think using tanks against a high tec enemy is suicide. The point is to give each of your tools the abilety to shine inspite of its deficencies.
Tanks are armored against artilery, small arms, and small anti-armor weapons. They have exellent mobilety. they have superb fire power.
You need to understand that by your claim that tanks are useless because of anti-tank weapons, any weapon is useless. there are exellent Anti-Aircraft missiles. There is a huge ammount of infantry killing weapons.
Your small amored truck is just as vulnreable to ATGMs as a tank is, and much more to small caliber weapons, artilery, mines and general bad stuff.
|November 29th, 2008||#126|
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I think the topic is also kind of related to 'urbanization' of the world. There's a constant influx of people into the cities, from the countryside. Thanks to globalization and commercialization of pretty much all industries (including agriculture) and basic social services, people around the world leave their villages in hopes of a higher standard of living in the cities.
Meaning battles are getting closer and closer to big cities. In the near future I think this will be even more obvious. So I say the question is, will tanks be as effective on the streets and alleys as they are in open battle areas?
I really doubt the current traditional tank design is efficient enough for modern urban warfare. And the transition will force them to adopt new weapons and concepts and evolve into something else. Something that is smaller, faster and more maneuverable with much better sensors, BUT with either less firepower or higher precision weapons that minimize collateral damage.
|November 29th, 2008||#127|
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Taking a tank down even with modern missiles is easier said than done while the tank itself is still a very viable mobile bunker, blitzkrieg tactics are no longer possible since unassisted tanks will get mauled by AT infantry but combined arms ground assault still requires a solid core that tanks provide.
|November 29th, 2008||#128|
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their is plenty of counters to ATGM's like chobam, i spelt it wrong, reactive and active armor, all effective against missiles.