hugojose, there is some truth in what you said... But we mostly think about the attitude toward the "indians".

"Indians" were civilized people. Primitive of course, more in control of their need to evolve and to expend beyond their world than the "white man". They had a few fights between tribes, but they werent organized like the Europeans who had a church, a strong state-nation concept,a huge history of empires etc etc...

And they were slaughtered by the advanced weapons of their less civilized new neighbors.

Some countries are "civilized" and powerful like the Japanese. The Samurai was a hightech and very sophisticated warrior. Maybe not in the industrial era... But that's another topic.

So right now, we have inferior civilizations that arent coherent, that arent strong etc... With advanced, large and powerful military forces.

And it's a very sad show... Primitive people who didnt have a real chance to prove their value slaughtered by people who dont understand them, who dont love them and who have purely low and basic projects in their lands...

You can sum it up to "I dont want you in my ideal world." And when the image of the ideal world is made by a simple minded person with no culture, no imagination... It's a plan for a real slaughter...

And it's the kind of ideas that goes around in the world to bite you in the ass later...

Originally Posted by hugojose

It is a comparison between reality and fiction. What we know of the US old west is mostly a fabrication, first by eastern novelists who had never been to the west and then by Holywood, making cheap entertaining fantasies they could sell. Most western people in the old west were hard working people that simply were way too busy making edn meets to be involved in firefights. Most did not even own guns nor could they afford them. True, there were the ocassional quarrels resolved on the spot, because law enforcement did not reach that far, but we can see that today, even with law enforcement around.

Indians were mostly decimated by deceases brought by Europeans (Indians never had them and had no defences), not by firefights or 'indians wars', and even before the pioneer starting going west, the Indians were finished for the most parts, forced relocations did the rest. There was far more crime and violence in the 'civilized' eastern cities, than in the small communities of the old west.

Originally Posted by LeMask

hugojose, there is some truth in what you said... But we mostly think about the attitude toward the "indians".

"Indians" were civilized people. Primitive of course, more in control of their need to evolve and to expend beyond their world than the "white man". They had a few fights between tribes, but they werent organized like the Europeans who had a church, a strong state-nation concept,a huge history of empires etc etc...

And they were slaughtered by the advanced weapons of their less civilized new neighbors.

Some countries are "civilized" and powerful like the Japanese. The Samurai was a hightech and very sophisticated warrior. Maybe not in the industrial era... But that's another topic.

So right now, we have inferior civilizations that arent coherent, that arent strong etc... With advanced, large and powerful military forces.

And it's a very sad show... Primitive people who didnt have a real chance to prove their value slaughtered by people who dont understand them, who dont love them and who have purely low and basic projects in their lands...

You can sum it up to "I dont want you in my ideal world." And when the image of the ideal world is made by a simple minded person with no culture, no imagination... It's a plan for a real slaughter...

And it's the kind of ideas that goes around in the world to bite you in the ass later...

Really? You two are gonna get spun up and debate the terms used as they relate to A'stan in a Western movie concept?

Yeah okay. Go on wid your bad selves.

You can't put a social science of foriegn cultures essay on a lunch box, let alone get a girl friend at the lunch table carrying that thing.

Or see kids dressing up as the Lone Foerign Relations anaylist Proffessor for Halloween.

Black and white, simple questions here.

As for serious debate, I have offered to make a new thread or you can make one yourself, I would be more than happy to participate.

Good to go?