Originally Posted by RnderSafe

This sounds like a projection on why you dislike the US

Just so you know, it's not. It probably the only reason i could understand if I tried, But it's not a reason for me to dislike the entire US.

Alot of people hate the US mostly because they think you guys are fat, lazy, ignorant, a bit racist and should'nt have the right to bear arms.

When i went shopping in the US i found it hard to find a size 30 waist and was suprised 39 40 were common

It's our propaganda! We won't people to think we are fat, lazy, stupid....
Especially stupid, why?
Here's why: when people think someone's stupid, than he says: I'm gonna beat him easy,- and than not uses all of his potential.
Pure psichology!
You can find it on google, I think(psichology effects, and stuff)

o k......

What about the right to bear arms? I mean should every person in america have the power to take someone's life?

Well, no. But it's good for protection, if some "invasion" comes up, everyone will have the chance to fight for their homes.

Originally Posted by 1217

I thought they also had a problem with the US telling other countries what to do and telling them what's wrong and right.
It doesn't really matter why they do what they do. For all I know they could be right and Allah could be the only real deity, but they shouldn't be murdering people for any reason.
If Allah is real, he can punish us infidels himself, and he won't need some Osama to do it for him, that's what I say.

Yup, and I don't think any God want's people dead.... Know what I mean...

The current Trial of AL quaeda cell members in Europe shows that most of the terrorists that took part of the 9/11 attack hated Israel and felt they were defending the Palestinian cause by attacking the US. The description of Atta and the others keep refereing to deep faith and pro-Palestinian cause...
Basically, that cause has a real appeal in the Arab word....that is why it is the excuse for most of the terrorism across the globe(and has been for decades). Come on, what does Bin Laden care about the Palestinians? or Saddam? or Lybia?
It is just a tool to win muslim hearths in the muslim world.
America's full support of Israel makes it the enemy too.
In the seventies and eighties it was US interests abroad. Now it is at home....The world is changing, the motives are still numerous and the excuse is still the same after 30 years: Palestine.
As far as the fundamentalists' dream to create a unique Muslim world....forget about that! They have so many denominations of their faith that they would slaughter each other for centuries to come!

Sherman said "They may offer temporary truce "hudna" , but those are basically the arab term for a break in the fight in which both sides have time to reorganize and then continue the fight......."
Just see how Al Sadr has led his insurgency in Iraq, using truces to rearm, dig in, reorganize.
We are not playing with the same rules...we need to learn and kick butts....it is called cultural awareness and we paid a big price in Somalia for the lack of it!

hat about the right to bear arms? I mean should every person in america have the power to take someone's life?

LOL...I dont think that bothers Bin-Laden...He seems like a member of the AK-Club ....Anyways, most of the guns used by criminals are illigal. The people who acctually have registered guns are usually noty murderers. I believe people have the right to defend them selves, and unless the bad guys stop carrying guns, why should we?

As far as the fundamentalists' dream to create a unique Muslim world....forget about that! They have so many denominations of their faith that they would slaughter each other for centuries to come!

It dosent mater. The fact is that in order to make that dream alive, they will do anything. And by the way, even though they have a good noumber of diffrent denominations, they are mainly devided to 2, Suni and Shia.

Bin Ladins own words on why he hate the usa is because of saudi arabia, saudi arabia wanted USA to help them rather then Bin Ladins army which pissed him off and since then he have wanted to get revence on the usa and saudi arbia. And he actually confesses that hes a Islamic Extreemist.

That was his words, i dont know if its true or not though.

Originally Posted by AlexKall

Bin Ladins own words on why he hate the usa is because of saudi arabia, saudi arabia wanted USA to help them rather then Bin Ladins army which pissed him off and since then he have wanted to get revence on the usa and saudi arbia. And he actually confesses that hes a Islamic Extreemist.

That was his words, i dont know if its true or not though.

Well, not his words exactly. But American troops in the KSA was one of his original complaints, sanctions against Iraq (as well as the Gulf War), and the US support of Israel, are two others. I believe you are talking about this:

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
World Islamic Front Statement

23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlur Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh


Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since Allah made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on Allah, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty Allah: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty Allah said: "O ye who believe, give your response to Allah and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that Allah cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty Allah also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."

Almighty Allah also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."