Originally Posted by MontyB

But for hunting UBoats it was not as successful because the information being passed to sub hunters was already hours old and subs rarely sit bobbing up and down on the ocean for very long.

ASW was very rudimentary in WWII. If the convoys knew they were going to be attacked by subs then the destroyers could fire their ASW weapons. Most subs survived this but they had to dive deep and keep silent. The convoy was saved, and that was most important.

If you want to know how life was in subs being attacked, watch the movie "Das Boot". It's excellent.

We do not need historians, authors or even witnesses to know how important ULTRA was, simple logic will do.

Play 2 games of stratego, one without and one with "ULTRA". In the first game you use your recce to find out how the enemy is positioned. This wil decide your strategy.
In the second game however, some figures are highlited, you know what and where they are AND you know what your oponent is going to do with it. This will give you a tremendous strategic advantage.

ULTRA didn't give the allies more power but they were able to concentrate the powers they had to their advantage.

Sorry have we reached the point where are comparing WW2 to a game of Stratego?

Lucky Winston rolled a 6 to Adolfs 2, although Adolf knew he was in trouble when Winston shouted B4 to which Adolf could only reply "Sie sank mein Schlachtschiff".

Originally Posted by MontyB

Sorry have we reached the point where are comparing WW2 to a game of Stratego?

Lucky Winston rolled a 6 to Adolfs 2, although Adolf knew he was in trouble when Winston shouted B4 to which Adolf could only reply "Sie sank mein Schlachtschiff".

Why not?
Makes more sense than some of the inane ramblings that have been put forward here!

Originally Posted by MontyB

Sorry have we reached the point where are comparing WW2 to a game of Stratego?

Lucky Winston rolled a 6 to Adolfs 2, although Adolf knew he was in trouble when Winston shouted B4 to which Adolf could only reply "Sie sank mein Schlachtschiff".

I wanted to keep it simple. Seems not simple enough for you.

Originally Posted by Trooper1854

Why not?
Makes more sense than some of the inane ramblings that have been put forward here!

That is a matter of opinion and perhaps says more about you than those you rate as inane ramblings, I could argue that it is the opinion of someone with a History Channel education.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

I wanted to keep it simple. Seems not simple enough for you.

Really is that the defence you are going with?

It amazes me that a thread that has survived 4.5 years has been derailed by a couple of people that really had nothing more to add than we could have got from a 1950s Commando comic.

Originally Posted by MontyB

That is a matter of opinion and perhaps says more about you than those you rate as inane ramblings, I could argue that it is the opinion of someone with a History Channel education.
.

OOooooh! sense of humour failure!
As a matter of fact mate, I have a degree in modern history, and I am working on a masters, so if you want to get into a pi**ing contest be my guest!
I actualy thought better of you.

I will happily get into a pi**ing contest with anyone who tries to assign more value to their opinion than anyone else's by deriding and shouting down anything they don't agree with.

So my suggestion is simple if you have nothing useful to say don't say anything, let us ramble on amongst ourselves and you can go chat about your Star Wars collection with anyone that cares, alternatively you could try being constructive.

I await your response with disinterest.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I will happily get into a pi**ing contest with anyone who tries to assign more value to their opinion than anyone else's by deriding and shouting down anything they don't agree with.

So my suggestion is simple if you have nothing useful to say don't say anything, let us ramble on amongst ourselves and you can go chat about your Star Wars collection with anyone that cares, alternatively you could try being constructive.

I await your response with disinterest.

Your ignorance astounds me!
Please explain what my interest in Star Wars has to do with anything?
I am a very big Star Wars fan, and through my, and my friends interest in it, we have raised millions of pounds for children's charities.
Find that amusing and worth deriding?
Are you actualy capable of raising an argument without resulting to insults?
Honestly, I thought you were someone who could argue a point, and accept that not every one would have the same oppinion, something I have stated that I do on numerous occaisions.
I have had many a constructive discussion here with many members.
You appear to be the one who has a problem.
It is a shame, as this was a very interesting thread, but as you have lowered yourself to throwing personal insults about, it has lost its apppeal.

Argue a point?
I have sat through 3+ pages of people calling others idiots because they couldn't make them accept their views, I have read nonsense about Stratego and had you referring to peoples posts as "inane ramblings" and you now tell me I am responsible for this?

Here is a variation on an old saying for ya... "Pot, meet kettle, he's black".

I honestly don't care whether you like my opinion nor does it bother me that we disagree what has really begun to annoy me is this process of getting more and more abusive with those who don't back away from their opinions because you and those like you think you have a mandate on valid opinion.

If the thread no longer interests you there are plenty of others you can go play in.

Oh and one more thing, I really couldn't care less about Star Wars either.