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The outcome of the war in NA was not determined by a supply war,it was determined by the British superiority:in 1941,the strength of the Africa Corps was some 30000 men,at the end of 1942,it was even less .Even if all the supplies that arrived at Tripolis,were going to Alamein (Tripolis to Alamein =2000 km),the Germans still would loose .The outcome of the war in NA was known beforehand.
|October 28th, 2011||#542|
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Strength of the Africa Corps in 1941:
13 april :109
12 december :51
The strength of the Africa Corps was limited because 1) the Eastern front had priority 2)(the most important)the Germans could not supply a bigger force,they even could not supply the actual force :trucks transporting fuel from Tripoli to the front were consuming more fuel than the fuel they were transporting .
|October 29th, 2011||#543|
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Here are just a few examples:
September 1940 – Operation*Hats
The Mediterranean Fleet escorted a fast convoy of three transports (carrying 40,000*short tons*(36,000*t) of supplies including reinforcements and ammunition for the island's anti-aircraft defences) from Alexandria and collected another convoy from Gibraltar. En route, Italian airbases were raided. The*Regia Marina*had superior forces at sea, but missed the opportunity to exploit their advantage.
The heavily-escorted Convoy MB6 from Alexandria reached Malta safely. The escort included four battleships and two aircraft carriers. An Italian attempt against the returning escort employing destroyers and torpedo boats ended in the*Battle of Cape Passero, favourable to the British.
November 1940 – Operations*Judgement,*White*and*Collar
A supply convoy from Alexandria arrived safely, coinciding with a troop convoy from Gibraltar and the air attack on the Italian battlefleet at Taranto (Operation Judgement).
Twelve Hurricanes were flown off*Argus*to reinforce Malta (Operation*White), but the threat of the Italian fleet lurking south of*Sardinia*prompted a premature fly-off from*Argus*and its return to Gibraltar. Eight of the planes ran out of fuel and ditched at sea. Seven pilots were lost.
A fast convoy sailed from Gibraltar to Malta and Alexandria (Operation*Collar). It was attacked by the Italian fleet at*Cape Spartivento. All transports arrived safely.
January 1941 - Operation*Excess
Operation*Excess*took place — a sequence of simultaneous supply and empty return convoys between Malta and Gibraltar and Alexandria. The transports arrived safely with 10,000 short tons (9,100*t) of supplies, but the*Royal Navy*lost a cruiser (HMS*Southampton), with another cruiser (HMS*Gloucester) and an aircraft carrier (HMS*Illustrious) badly damaged and a destroyer damaged beyond repair.This was the first action to involve the*Luftwaffe. The Italian torpedo boat*Vega*was sunk in the course of the operations.
May 1941 – Operations*Tiger*and*Splice
An urgent supply convoy from Gibraltar to Alexandria (Operation*Tiger) coincided with reinforcements for the Mediterranean Fleet, two small convoys from Egypt to Malta,*and 48 more Hurricanes flown off HMS*Ark Royal*and*Furious*(Operation*Splice).*The only loss was the 9,200 long tons (9,300*t) cargo ship*Empire Song, which hit a mine and sank with a cargo of 57 tanks, 10 aircraft and several trucks.
Tiger*was transporting tanks (Matildas*and the new*Crusader tanks) needed for the operations in North Africa, these had been intended to be sent via the Cape but were diverted via the Mediterranean. Over 200 tanks reached Alexandria on 12 May.
The Luftwaffe transferred much of its strength from Sicily to prepare for the*invasion of the USSR, relieving some of the pressure on Malta.
The Malta-based submarine*HMS*Upholder*attacked and sank the large Italian troop transport*Conte Rosso.
I suggest that you do a bit more research.
Every battle fought right from the beginning of time relies on its supply lines. Without supply lines there is no fuel, no food, no ammunition, no fresh troops or other supplies to the front. One of the major worries regarding D Day was the problem of supply, which led to the design and construction of the floating harbours.
The British defeat in Singapore was partially caused by the inadequate supply of modern aircraft and other equipment. The Chindits in Burma only managed to do what they did because of supplies dropped by air.
As a matter of interest, supply units suffer extremely heavy casualties from enemy air and artillery attacks because they are so vital to front line units
Adversus solem ne loquitor
Last edited by BritinAfrica; October 29th, 2011 at 09:14..
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I REPEAT :between june 1940 and may 1943,the convoys to the Far East/India,did not use the Mediterranean,as such,the Mediterranean was no liveline for Britain.
Last edited by lljadw; October 29th, 2011 at 09:51..
|October 29th, 2011||#546|
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I KNOW the Prince of Wales and the Repulse did not use the Mediterranean/Suez route.
The route became of greater importance to the Far East as the Allies pushed further and further north.
|October 29th, 2011||#547|
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Last edited by BritinAfrica; October 29th, 2011 at 11:23..
|October 29th, 2011||#548|
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If Britain had lost the Battle of the Atlantic ,Britain had lost the war .
Now,which of both were vital:the Mediterranean,or the Atlantic .
And,saying that Malta was vital for the landings in Italy and Sicily,is saying,that without Malta,these landings were impossible,and that's nonsens .
About the Prince of Wales and the Repulse:if they did not use the Mediterranean to go to Singapore,that means that the Mediterranean was not vital for the war in the East:that's obvious .
|October 29th, 2011||#550|
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229 squadron reformed on 3 August 1942 at Takali, Malta, this time as a Spitfire squadron using aircraft provided by No.603 Squadron. The squadron took part in the last months of the siege of Malta, before in January 1943 going onto the offensive, flying fighter sweeps over Sicily. Fighter-bomber aircraft arrived in May, and were used to cover the landings on Sicily, but the squadron was then retained on Malta for defensive duties and didn't move to Sicily until January 1944. On 1 April, after three months on Sicily, the squadron was withdrawn and transferred back to the UK, re-assembling at Hornchurch on 24 April.
From troops on the ground point of view who are having the crap shelled and shot out of them, they need and want all the air cover they can get.
You are talking out of your rectum.
Last edited by BritinAfrica; October 30th, 2011 at 09:54..
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