About Why did Germany lose WW2? Page 53
|August 28th, 2011||#521|
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Radar.....My father worked as Fighter Controller in 1940 at Hawkinge in Kent not they could direct the fighters to those German formations with out any problems as they were that large you could not miss them. Now the fighter to fighter interception could be more difficult as it was a smaller and faster moving target. Inland Radar, yes there was as there were three huge radar masts just at the back of Locksbottom in Kent which was near Biggin Hill. Also in 1940 they had the first airborne radar going, it was not that accurate but did work as Cats Eyes Cunningham could tell tell you. Now to hide the fact that they had this airborne radar they put around the story in the press that the night fighter pilots were being fed on carrots to help their night vision to cover the fact of their success rate.
H2S Radar..... Yes this was a great aid for navigation and brought our bombers to the correct cities at night, but OBO was the thing that allowed the pathfinders to drop their markers right on the spot. Using OBO the pathfinders could drop their markers on an area the size of a tennis court any where in Germany.
The T34......If the Germans knew about this tank do you not think they would have started to develop a tank to match earlier rather than wait until they had captured one and then start to upgrade there armour.
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Last edited by LeEnfield; August 28th, 2011 at 11:39..
|August 28th, 2011||#522|
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About the T34,if before Barbarossa (let's say october 1940)the Germans had knew about the existence of the T34,and had decided to built something to counter the T34(the Panther),the first Panthers would not be available before 1942,thus it would not make any difference for the decisive period of Barbarossa.
And,if I am not wrong,the T34 production started only in 1941,to late for the Germans to take countermeasures .
About H2S,my point was that this was used in the UBoat war,and,IMHO,much more successful than Enigma .
|August 28th, 2011||#523|
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Some other points:in 1942,the Allies were unable to read the Enigma codes (source :UBoat Net) and still,the Germans failed to win the Battle of the Atlantic .
An other :in january 1942,an average of 22 UBoats were patrolling the Atlantic and sank 48 merchant ships with 277000 GRT,that means that it took a UBoat 14 days to sink ONE merchant ship,that means that the rentability was very low and that most merchant ship losses happened accidentally .
In the same period,there was ONE UBoat loss,that means that the hundreds of ships and aircraft that were patrolling succeeded in one month to sink ONE UBoat,that means that most UBoat losses happene accidentally .
There only was one possibility for the Germans to sink more merchant ships :having more patrolling UBoats.
There also was only one possibility for the Allies to sink more UBoats:having more patrolling ASW.
While Enigma could help,its importance has become a myth .
|August 29th, 2011||#524|
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Last edited by Seehund; August 30th, 2011 at 09:35..
|August 31st, 2011||#525|
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About Radar :maybe you could read the following on the Web:
Deflating British Radar myths in WWII.
The 3 myths about Radar:
1)Watson-Watt is the father and sole inventor of Radar
2)Germany's discovery and realisation of radar's military worth occurred after 1940 following exposure to Radar systems
3)The pivotal role of Radar in the defeat of the LW in the BoB
About the OC, without willing to dispute the heroism of the members of the OC,the fact is ,that if there were some clouds,it was impossible for them to discern British from German aircraft,bombers from fighters,the numbers of aircraft,the direction,the speed ,the height .
|September 2nd, 2011||#527|
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Moreover, I do not agree with Gregory Clark. It is only one man's Appraisal. I've seen very thorough evaluations of the British HC which concludes the opposite.
No it´s not!
A trained observer can easily tell the difference between a British and German aircraft engine solely on the sound. Besides it is such, that if you can’t positively identify a target as friendly, then it’s considered hostile.
The number of aircraft would obviously need to be an estimate. But one can easily assess whether is 10 or 100.
When a plane passes, you can easily assess what direction it comes from and in what direction it disappears without you ever seeing the plane.
So if observation post A detects that a number of aircraft have passed them in a certain direction and if OP-B ten minutes later observe these aircraft, then I now have an approximate compass heading and knowing the distance between the OP-A and OP-B, and the Time for the first and second observation I can now calculate an approximate speed.
The height of the cloud cover is known by the meteorologist in the command center
If you collect all this information in the command center then you get a good overview of the situation.
And this is the way it was done and it works. This is a fact. The Danish OC has used the same approach from 1938 to 2004. I have experienced it in practice.
|September 2nd, 2011||#528|
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Nice explanation Seehund!
"My center is giving way, my right is in retreat situation excellent. I shall attack." -Foch
I am from NYC. I fly a French flag because I work in Paris.
|September 3rd, 2011||#529|
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|September 3rd, 2011||#530|
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But,OTOH,there always is one otherhand,after some searching,I found the following source:
battleofbritain1940.net/document-14 High Frequency Direction Finding.
And, there, is stated the following
IFF worked reasonably well but it did have its failings.In dogfights it became impossible to distinghuish one aircraft from another.Many times friendly aircraft were not able to be detected while at time they were easily seen .
In practice,the IFF system was later to be found to be not totally reliable,and accurate aircraft identification remained founded on the judgement made at Filter Rooms,where information about aircraft movements of home forces was available.
Source:Peter Flintowding &Headquarters Fighting Command P173 Airlife
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