Never understood holocaust deniers myself but either way the I don't disagree with the sites analysis of this particular issue, I am convinced given the progress the Russian winter offensive achieved and their ability to do things on a grand scale leaving large salients to the north and south of Moscow would have been disastrous for AGC.

Originally Posted by errol

But the Germans used up precious resources and time. If von Bock was allowed to do what he wanted to do they would have atacked on a narrow front with full force and smashed there way into Moscow very quickly without major urban warfare. It would not have been another Stalingrad. The Russians were at the point of disintergration in July' 41. It was a different story in 42-43.

Sure it was still a gamble and I don't think it would have won them the war but I believe the Germans would have been in a stronger position than what actually occurred in 41-42.

The problem with this theory an narrow front, an army on a narrow front attack is a lot like a tight rope walker the farther out on the wire he gets the easier it is to knock him off!

Any Army that loses that number of men like the Germans did in Russia will soon run out out of manpwer. This was shown up when germany started to call up boys as young as 11 years old to fight for their country.

Originally Posted by LeEnfield

Any Army that loses that number of men like the Germans did in Russia will soon run out out of manpwer. This was shown up when germany started to call up boys as young as 11 years old to fight for their country.

You know what I find ironic about this is that had the Germans "delayed" their racial superiority crap they would have more than likely been able to raise a large enough army from anti-communist Russians to meet all of their needs. Basically they wasted untold resources and manpower to try and wipe out people that would have more than likely fought for them against the very people that beat them.

when Italy and Russia and America came aboard on the Allies side, there was no hope of Germany winning the war.

It pays to keep you're friends on you're side during the war.
May be someone should of told Hitler that!

Perhaps Italy was more of a hindrance for Germany before they switched sides!

Hehe I am convinced Hitler should have paid Italy to stay neutral or invaded it in 1940, at least they might have got a decent size fleet out of it.

In late 1940 Monty no one thought that Germany would lose the war, least of of all the Germans