They want to spread. It's like how Christians send missionaries. But these guys do it with bombs.

Originally Posted by Del Boy

That is not what Inferno said at all. Yours is a polite, reasoned argument, which I can appreciate.

If only your argument was true .Then the problem would not exist. But in fact, the Islamists already wish to take over, and where they can they do, and where they can't they complain and many support terrorism. They do not and will not see themselves as British and not Pakistani etc. Many of the terrorist so far have been British born second generation. They do not wish to integrate into the cultures of the western world with its tolerant liberalism. We will create a multicultural multi-divided nightmare of
chaos as seen currently in the middle east. Regarding all others except the Islamists your argument would hold water.

What we see here is a deliberate invasion, and the target is Britain and Europe. I have spent some time trying to warn other countries to watch their own situations. Twenty years ago we should have faced the problem and dealt with it, but the same arguments as we have here were put forward then to pacify our intellects.

Of course I would be very pleased to embrace the result you describe, and that has always been the case in past circumstances. This is a completely different global problem.
I am not crying about it; I am warning. It is always easy to shoot the messenger, ain't it.

I think you and I agree on one thing, this bodes careful watching. I cant predict how this is going to go in the future, and I'm not going to claim to be an expert on the subject.

Also, I heard that England is opening free immigration to eastern europeans starting in January. Is this true?

You know the same thing is predicted for the USA within the next 20-30 years. Caucasians will become a minority.

Originally Posted by WNxRogue

I think you and I agree on one thing, this bodes careful watching. I cant predict how this is going to go in the future, and I'm not going to claim to be an expert on the subject.

Also, I heard that England is opening free immigration to eastern europeans starting in January. Is this true?

This is perfectly true, and actually, if they are not from alien ideologies, that's not so bad. If Turkey joins the EU that then becomes an open door into Britain for the muslims of the middle east and Africa and if Turkey loses its secular status to the Islamists, well who knows where we go.

Also we are are still receiving masses of these folk, every day. Complete folly.

But the situation here will be a done deal, according to the report, even if , from today, not another immigrant arrives.



MMarsh - What you point out is true. However, I understand that USA is not under threat of hosting alien cultures to any degree. Remember, this is not really a question of colour or race, but of ideology. In the case of our report the word 'white' British is used simply to correctly identify the indiginous population involved ; in fact, many of those will be of many colours, race and even creed, but of integrated culture. Somehow countries must organise a new programme for their own protection from being swamped. It surely only requires the application of governmental common-sense.

i get very uneasy when i see these threads

members of the great colonial powers wringing their hands over the influx of foreigners, comes very VERY close to the sort of racist, xenophobic hate speech that gets people beaten or lynched


you screen your immigrants properly, you deport or naturalise the illegals (depending on length of time in country) and you show the rest how things are done in your country.

but if you demonise them, then why should they be proud of their new homeland? THATS the cancer you should be fighting


del boy, i think you missed the point in my first post, especially my use of "fuzzy wuzzy"

also del boy, i suggest you watch the documentary "mongrel nation" about the origions of what makes england england, from language, customs, etc etc



part 1

part 1

part 2

god knows what part, but same doco

sigh

basically what im getting at is that you cannot be so arrogant to write off a wave of immigration as having nothing to contribute to your country....or your culture. thats supreme arrogance. after all...where would england be today if it weren't for the curry? lol

very similar attitudes were voiced at the irish, the west indian, and the indian immigrants

Originally Posted by Fox

Just like the Latinos taking over the USA...

Sabes Que. Latino's are not "taking over the USA." Is the population growing yes it is and has been for years. The above statement smacks of the sentiment that Latino's in the US are all immigrants. News flash we are not.

My family was on this side of the Rio Bravo before there was a Texas, Arizona, New Mexico etc. The border crossed us. We are Americans. We have served in every war since the Texas Revolution when my GGGGGF served under Capt. Seguin at San Jacinto and wore a paste card in his hat that said "Recordo del Alamo."

I have Uncles, Cousins, etc who have died and shed blood for this country, OUR COUNTRY. I have served my country my brothers have served their country and that country is the United States of America.

So if you can't deal with that aspect of Americans of Latin descent then I suggest you buy a cabin in Idaho and insulate yourself from the outside world.

Originally Posted by Infern0

"members of the great colonial powers wringing their hands over the influx of foreigners, comes very VERY close to the sort of racist, xenophobic hate speech that gets people beaten or lynched "

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NONSENSE - this is your blinkered rubbish again. We are the most tolerant, charitable, freedom loving nation on the planet, second to none.
It is typical of your weak political cant to point your grubby finger at a respectable official report from a legitimate and respected source. It puts forward the facts regarding a very serious situation in a serious manner.
There is nothing whatsoever racist or xenophobic about it, and your tired and outworn slogans are a complete travesty of the facts.

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"you screen your immigrants properly, you deport or naturalise the illegals (depending on length of time in country) and you show the rest how things are done in your country."

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This typifies your ignorance of our problems.

Our governments have NOT screened our immigrants properly.

We do NOT deport our illegals properly, if at all.

We continually give amnesty to vast numbers of illegals.

We show the rest of the world always how far ahead of all our country is as a magnet for immigrants because of the above.

So kindly do not comment on what you obviously do not know.

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"but if you demonise them, then why should they be proud of their new homeland? THATS the cancer you should be fighting"


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Indeed, we do NOT demonise them at all, they demonise us, in fact; and they bomb and conspire to murder us, although they live here on the benfits we provide. They are happy to bite the hand that feeds them.
THAT IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT 'THE CANCER' WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING.
The cancer we must attend to is the one you are happy to support.


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I have no interest in clicking on to your videos, having noted your approach to a subject so far above your reach.

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"del boy, i think you missed the point in my first post, especially my use of "fuzzy wuzzy"

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I refer you to earlier response to your extremely racist use of very dangerous descriptions.


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"also del boy, i suggest you watch the documentary "mongrel nation" about the origions of what makes england england, from language, customs, etc etc"

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I need no references or direction from you on the subject of the history of my country. On this subject I can leave you and your sources sitting on their butts.
In many posts on this forum I have often pointed out proudly that we are a mongrel nation here, and that that is what makes us great. All of this is what the current threat aims to destroy.


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"basically what im getting at is that you cannot be so arrogant to write off a wave of immigration as having nothing to contribute to your country....or your culture. thats supreme arrogance. "

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It is not arrogance to warn the current smothering of our nation by an alien intolerant culture is upon us, and apparently from this moment is already irreversable, without the addition of one more immigrant. For your information, this is known as common-sense.


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very similar attitudes were voiced at the irish, the west indian, and the indian immigrants

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Such attitudes were NOT widespread regarding the Irish, as my family history establishes. I have to say that the West Indian wave has presented difficulties which we still struggle with, but there was only minor political rejection, which was opposed by most, like me. This group has problems with the current influx into their areas.
The Indian community has quickly integrated, and as always is rising to the top.
The groups you have mentioned would to a degree be supporting my concerns in this matter.

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your loss, not mine.


i stand by my statements....it's pretty clear to me that you are misunderstanding (deliberately or not) a couple of my points....and i simply lack the desire to walk you through it.


im calling it as i'm seeing it.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

Sabes Que. Latino's are not "taking over the USA." Is the population growing yes it is and has been for years. The above statement smacks of the sentiment that Latino's in the US are all immigrants. News flash we are not.

My family was on this side of the Rio Bravo before there was a Texas, Arizona, New Mexico etc. The border crossed us. We are Americans. We have served in every war since the Texas Revolution when my GGGGGF served under Capt. Seguin at San Jacinto and wore a paste card in his hat that said "Recordo del Alamo."

I have Uncles, Cousins, etc who have died and shed blood for this country, OUR COUNTRY. I have served my country my brothers have served their country and that country is the United States of America.

So if you can't deal with that aspect of Americans of Latin descent then I suggest you buy a cabin in Idaho and insulate yourself from the outside world.

03usmc -- I love this post! this is everything you could wish for from those who would take refuge in your country. To wish to be American! To BE American! Great.

That is all we wish from immigrants to THESE shores. Unfortunately it is not our experience, as far as Islamists are concerned.

so tell me del boy....imagine you're the prime minister, what would YOU do?


then, have a go at the other side of the argument, you've immigrated from some of the worlds biggest shitholes to be greeted by post such as you first in this thread....do you feel welcome? what would your response be?