Originally Posted by SHERMAN

As usuall senojekips you continue to believe that the reasons for radical militant muslims attacking western targets are related to the ISraeli-Arab conflict. This is not true in my honest opinion, and infact most experts on radical Islam will tell you that the issue is the firstly religous. Organizations like Hammas, Hezballah, and Al-Quaeda are not about Palestine. They are about asserting Islamic superiority where muslims live at first and world wide afterwards. The evidence for this is largely open to view. The claim that Hezballah is fighting ISrael for instance, due to the suffering of the Palestinians, is absurd, because it is very obvious that Hezballah is nothing but a branch of the Irani shiite radicals. The Iranis are more intrested in destroying moderate regiems in the Arab world, like the Jordanian and Egyptian ones, than they are in reliving their Palestinian "brothers"(who are not of the same race, nationality or even religion for that matter).

These people, whom we call fundamentalists, simply and openly want to force Islam on the rest of the world. This has nothing to do with Israel.

Somehow this should prevent us doing the right thing by the Palestinians?

I don't trust Hamas, Hezbollah, or Israel to do the right thing by anyone but themselves but in the end I do know that consigning a race of people to small chunks of land to live in poverty is not a good thing.

In the end I know that even with a Palestinian homeland Islam will never be united enough to threaten the west militarily and that the likes of Al-Quaeda will never be anything more than a fringe element even in the Muslim world.

God u hate them so much and with no actuall reason,like war must have rules.
1)the Victor must promise that the defeatedarmy will not be destroyed
2)the victor must promis not to occupy the territoy he won
3)in case the losing side is poor the vvicctor must promise to help them get rich and wealthier.

U GUYS SPEAK LIKE U ARE LITTLE KIDS GROW UP THIS IS THE REGION NOW FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ITS ALL OVER NOW,WE LIVE AT 2009 NOT AT 1009 KEEP IT REAL TRY TO SOLVVE THESE THINGS AND NOT THHOSE THAT ARE LONG GONE!!!

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

As usuall senojekips you continue to believe that the reasons for radical militant muslims attacking western targets are related to the ISraeli-Arab conflict. This is not true in my honest opinion, and infact most experts on radical Islam will tell you that the issue is the firstly religous.

Well, the great boogie man Bin laden has said so himself, and because all of these groups follow his example, I'd say he is probably right.

These people, whom we call fundamentalists, simply and openly want to force Islam on the rest of the world. This has nothing to do with Israel.

These fundamentalists were no more than a mob of idiots with only very limited appeal even in their own countries until they were given a cause to hate certain Western countries.

How many Al Qaeda based attacks have there been in Brazil, Switzerland or Poland, or many of the other non Muslim countries. These are all Christian countries, yet they do not attract the Muslim terrorists that the USA does So it's not merely a religious thing, and why is the USA such a target? I think I can safely say that is because of their support of Israel, or more to the point lack of support for the Palestinians who are actually the wronged party here.

Similarly I think that most of the worlds military analysts would agree. It's not rocket science to look at the how terrorism is being used and against whom, to see this.

Originally Posted by EladBell

God u hate them so much and with no actuall reason,like war must have rules.
1)the Victor must promise that the defeatedarmy will not be destroyed
2)the victor must promis not to occupy the territoy he won
3)in case the losing side is poor the vvicctor must promise to help them get rich and wealthier.

U GUYS SPEAK LIKE U ARE LITTLE KIDS GROW UP THIS IS THE REGION NOW FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ITS ALL OVER NOW,WE LIVE AT 2009 NOT AT 1009 KEEP IT REAL TRY TO SOLVVE THESE THINGS AND NOT THHOSE THAT ARE LONG GONE!!!

Perhaps you should remember that if not for points 1-3 and the Allied sense of guilt you wouldn't have a country at all.

Originally Posted by EladBell

God u hate them so much and with no actuall reason,like war must have rules.
1)the Victor must promise that the defeatedarmy will not be destroyed
2)the victor must promis not to occupy the territoy he won
3)in case the losing side is poor the vvicctor must promise to help them get rich and wealthier.

U GUYS SPEAK LIKE U ARE LITTLE KIDS GROW UP THIS IS THE REGION NOW FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ITS ALL OVER NOW,WE LIVE AT 2009 NOT AT 1009 KEEP IT REAL TRY TO SOLVVE THESE THINGS AND NOT THHOSE THAT ARE LONG GONE!!!

(1) You are NOT the "Victors". You can only claim victory once the war is won, and you are getting further from that every day.
(2) You never even fought to gain the Country you call Israel,... It was given to you by people wanting to ease their own guilt for not having done anything to help the Jews in the camps. All you have done is to flood your occupied territory so you can displace the owners and repress any attempts by them to get it back, meanwhile you allow your citizens to terrorise palestinians in their own homes and drive them off their land, don't bother denying it or I will start posting pages out of Haaretz and video clips provided by groups like B'Tselem, as it seems not all Israelis are blind to the truth.

Don't call us little kids until you are willing to face the truth as did David Ben-Gurion, who openly admitted that you were taking a land that belongs to others.

Israel's reprisal policy, 1953-1956: the dynamics of military retaliation.

By Zeʼev Derori
Ben-Gurion recognized the strong attachment of Palestinian Arabs to the land but hoped that this would be overcome in time. In a conversation about "the Arab problem" in 1956, Goldman wrote that Ben-Gurion stated: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country ... There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it is simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army.

The problem is very simply solved, but the Israelis do not wish to be governed by the land's owners. Instead, you wish to impose your will upon them. What you don't or won't realise is that every day you are in denial, the problem gets worse, you will not be happy until you have dragged the whole Western world into your war of oppression.

But slowly, slowly the citizens of those countries backing Israel are waking up and asking why are our taxes being used and our children dying to support an illegal regime of terror in the Middle East.

i give up
Ignorance is a bless

Well, the great boogie man Bin laden has said so himself, and because all of these groups follow his example, I'd say he is probably right.

this statement may be answered by your own signature lol...

Originally Posted by EladBell

i give up
Ignorance is a bless

Correct, and it's time you started to wake up to what is going on in the world. Many countries are quickly losing that guilt trip they shared after WWII. Israel's arrogance and treatment of the Palestinians is the cause of this happening

Believe it or not, as little as 10 years ago I was 100% pro Israel, but atrocities like Ramallah sowed the seeds of doubt and since than I have looked more carefully. What I saw surprised even me.

Originally Posted by captiva303

this statement may be answered by your own signature lol...

Well,... that was not what I wanted to hear, so perhaps it was the truth. All of the evidence would certainly seem to indicate that.

what was ramallah?

Mr Google is your friend. While you are at it try Jenin as well.