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Originally Posted by ACTaFOOL82

What ime saying is, they can be assembled wherever out of whatever, the money is going too the home company. Whether its in North America, Europe, or Aisa. You also hit the nail on the head, maybe Nissan contributed a little too a Ford focus, or a Chevy cavalier, but when it comes too anything big, and more expensive its American parts.

Also the American cars usually (ime excluding exotics) are gonna last longer, are easier too fix, and have better resale value. Its not that Dodge cant build a good tranny its the new ones suck. They are fairly easy too repair compared too some of these FWD rice rockets.

Actually the cars that are built in Japan, that are shipped over last way longer thatn a ford or dodge.

Originally Posted by ACTaFOOL82

What ime saying is, they can be assembled wherever out of whatever, the money is going too the home company. Whether its in North America, Europe, or Aisa. You also hit the nail on the head, maybe Nissan contributed a little too a Ford focus, or a Chevy cavalier, but when it comes too anything big, and more expensive its American parts.

Also the American cars usually (ime excluding exotics) are gonna last longer, are easier too fix, and have better resale value. Its not that Dodge cant build a good tranny its the new ones suck. They are fairly easy too repair compared too some of these FWD rice rockets.

You must have never bought parts for a Datsun/Nissan Z car. They are very hard to get and high priced. Also, many 1992-1996 300zx twin turbo cars sell for anywhere to $18,000 to $23,000 stock. I have yet to see too many American cars that old sell for that high even ones with 40,000 miles go for that high. When it comes to fixing and repairing, all cars, truck, vans from all manufacturers have problems. When I worked at Crest Cheverolet, all we worked on was Chevys, Cadillacs and GM. At the time brand new Chevy Blazers with only 3,000-6,000 miles and front wheel bearings fried, common problem. 2002 Cadillacs with electrical draws, common problem. Northstar motors with leaking valves. At a Ford dealership, all we worked on was plenty of Fords. At a small town private shop we worked on everything you can think of, even some Audis and Renaults. Every car has its strengths and its weaknesses. To say foreign cars have a lot more problems than American cars is just not true. Certain cars may have more problems but again, even with propper maintenance, cars have problems. Thus we have guys who owe Snap-On and Matco tons of money to fix all cars and all sorts of problems. Enough said and I am done being

Dodge Viper, or a Hummer, or a Chevy Avalanche

Time, you have no idea what your talking about. Keist talking about the value of a rice burner is ridiculous, You forgot too mention how much a (used) 1989-96 Mustang Saleen, SVO, or Cobra cost. Thats just one manufacturer.

You worked at a Ford, and Chevy dealership, and you worked on... Fords and Chevys. I wouldve thought you work on Nissans at a Ford dealership (sarcasm). I just counted 5 imports and 3 domestics when I went outside, but maybe thats just a coincidence? Even if all cars have problems (which they do), domestics are easier too work on. Apperently you have some wrenchin experience, and you know thats true.

Off topic but funny- We went too the drag races. My friend Krista owns a 300zx twin turbo. She watched my brother and his friends race their 5.0 mustangs (14-15 sec e.t.), after talking some trash she went. Telling everyone how bad she was gonna beat them. Needless too say she didnt break 16 seconds all night, even with my dad, and her boyfriend driving.

yes I do I chose to choose an Airplane manufacturer.

Well it would have to be Willy's. My favourite is: Willy's MB jeep.

Originally Posted by ACTaFOOL82

Time, you have no idea what your talking about. Keist talking about the value of a rice burner is ridiculous, You forgot too mention how much a (used) 1989-96 Mustang Saleen, SVO, or Cobra cost. Thats just one manufacturer.

You worked at a Ford, and Chevy dealership, and you worked on... Fords and Chevys. I wouldve thought you work on Nissans at a Ford dealership (sarcasm). I just counted 5 imports and 3 domestics when I went outside, but maybe thats just a coincidence? Even if all cars have problems (which they do), domestics are easier too work on. Apperently you have some wrenchin experience, and you know thats true.

Off topic but funny- We went too the drag races. My friend Krista owns a 300zx twin turbo. She watched my brother and his friends race their 5.0 mustangs (14-15 sec e.t.), after talking some trash she went. Telling everyone how bad she was gonna beat them. Needless too say she didnt break 16 seconds all night, even with my dad, and her boyfriend driving.

Talking about the value of well known and respected Z cars is not ridiculous. I am not talking about point A to B cars like Civics and such. Even Mazda RX-7s and Toyota Supras are very high in value today. For me, working on older 1960-1980 domestic cars is easier but any newer domestic, especially front wheel drives are just as much of a pain in the arse to work on as a foreign. When I worked at that private auto mechanic shop, the fastest clutch job I have ever done was on a Honda Accord. Took me 1 hour and 40 minues. The guy next to me replacing a clutch on a Dodge Neon took 3 hours to do. Also at that shop, I too could walk out and see 5 imports and 3 domestics. One day, all I did was work on foreigns. Then, for a couple of days straight, all we got in was Ford and Chevy trucks and cars and several Dodge cars and vans.
Your friends Twin Turbo must me roached because my first non-turbo 1990 Z stock did 14.8-15.6 in the quarter mile time after time. A stock twin turbo in good running order is somewhere in the high 13s and low 14s. I do not remember the exact #.

We can talk about whos right, and whos wrong, and tell stories all day. But when it comes down too it, your either American, or a rice boy. I think youve showed your true colors. I also like how you compared a Civic with a Neon (smallest car Dodge makes), instead of a Taurus, Intrepid, or Stratus. I prefer having a 500hp car without turbo or Nos. O wait rice burners cant get 500hp without turbo or Nos. Thats the only thing rice burners can do too keep up with the domestics.

Z cars are only respected by rice boys. Everyone I know rolls their eyes, when a rice boy opens his hood reaveling a 2 liter grenade motor. But when the man in the Mach 1 shows up he gets respected. I think this rice craze is just a phase thats already dying. Even if her car was "roached" (rice lingo for messed up) she still got powned by newbs in almost stock (headers and intake) 5.0's.

Originally Posted by ACTaFOOL82

We can talk about whos right, and whos wrong, and tell stories all day. But when it comes down too it, your either American, or a rice boy. I think youve showed your true colors. I also like how you compared a Civic with a Neon (smallest car Dodge makes), instead of a Taurus, Intrepid, or Stratus. I prefer having a 500hp car without turbo or Nos. O wait rice burners cant get 500hp without turbo or Nos. Thats the only thing rice burners can do too keep up with the domestics.

Z cars are only respected by rice boys. Everyone I know rolls their eyes, when a rice boy opens his hood reaveling a 2 liter grenade motor. But when the man in the Mach 1 shows up he gets respected. I think this rice craze is just a phase thats already dying. Even if her car was "roached" (rice lingo for messed up) she still got powned by newbs in almost stock (headers and intake) 5.0's.

I do like my Nissan and Mazda sports cars but I do have a respect for any fastback Mustang or SS Camaro as well as any sports car in general. I love sports cars and am open to any and all makes and models. The classier the better.
And by the way, I talked about a Honda Accord (not Civic) which IS comparable to a Taurus, Intrepid, or Stratus. The more experienced tech next to me replacing the clutch in the Neon (the smallest car Dodge makes) took 3 hours whereas the clutch job on the bigger Accord took me about half the time. So as I said before, newer Domestic cars can be just as much of a pain in the butt to work on.
As far as the Z car goes, for any person who respects automotive performance, not just someone who is prejudiced to Domestic cars, the Z car IS well respected just as the Mach 1 is (by the way, the Z car has a 3.0 liter V6 motor).
And as far as foreign cars only being able to get 500 horsepower with turbos and such, well, what is the problem with that? It is kind of like comparing the old M1 Garand with a newer M4 rifle. Both are great but things have changed and the newer lighter model is better for what is needed to get done. To take a engine with 2 less cylinders and put turbos on it, you get just as much horsepower but less weight meaning you get better handling with your car, quicker revving, and less moving parts. Those are just a few of the things that cement my reasons for prefering the import sports car to the domestic. Plus foreign sports cars are creative and keep coming up with new ideas. Tradition is great but Chevy and Ford have not really changed the Mustang and Camaro and Corvette a whole lot for the last 40 years. Time to think outside the automotive box. Like the Mazda RX-7 with the rotary engine, only 3 moving parts internally and only a 1.3 liter engine yet, I know people who can push 600 (not 500) horsepower easily out of them and run very low 8 second times in them WITHOUT NITROUS.
It all boils down to what your preferences are. As I have always said in reference to Domestic muscle cars, Anyone can strap a rocket to their ass and go fast in a straight line but they cannot achieve the handling and constant acceleration and high RPMs that a smaller engine with less moving parts can.

Dont even start about handling, domestics dominate trans am racing. I'll put my 70' Boss 302 up against any rice rocket in a trans am race. Its not much for quarter mile times but it handles like a pro (and its old technology). Just like newer domestics still do to this day (corvette, viper). Domestics are superior, in every type of race the top dawg drives a domestic, you dont see Toyota winning any nascar or drag races. Chevy is even doing very well in F1, and Lemans, against Ferraris. Thats why they have import classes, becuz they cant keep up with the big dawgs.

Honda Accords are tiny, even compared too a tuarus. I am glad about one thing, the new rotary motors are pretty sweet. But I dont see them going in anything big.

I already said we can talk all we want when it comes down too it your either a American, or a rice boy.

To each his own. I would however like to see you try and out corner a Nissan Skyline GTR or the RX-7 or the 300ZX TT. As far as F1 racing goes, the Infiniti has been one of the top cars for several years. Enough said.