Never tried any weapon in arm-way..

But I would like to try P90..

That's a .357, right? The crazy looking little bull-pup submachine gun?

Originally Posted by sherman105

Like i said,Israel has a round withe six main explosive fragments and a lot smaller fragments....good against Inf, Light Armour, Choppers...

Are you talking about the flechette for Merkava??

Don't like that one at all!!
That one has been used a couple of times too much against Norwegian soldiers in Lebanon...

Thank God that the Merkava gunner used HEAT (by mistake.. ) and not Flechette when three shells hit 7-20 meters away from a patrol from my company..


I know I'm a bit now, but Flechette is something I think that should be uninvented!

Redneck: In answer to your question - yes, setting the fuze to zero is extremely dangerous and is only done is real world emergencies (as in the bad guys are about to over run your position and have to be stopped now :!: ) and you can't duck Killer Junior like you can a flechette round.

All time fuzes have a built in 3 second delay before they function as a safety (so they can clear the tube), but you run the risk of the base of the round hitting you if the round goes off within 300 meters of your position.

BTW, the P90 Personal Defense Weapon is made by FN and fires a special 5.7mm high velocity cartridge developed for it (not a .357 magnum) and is properly classed as an advanced submachine gun. FN also developed a pistol that fires the same round, the FN Five-seveN.

Thank you.
5.7, .357, it's only one digit difference, right Sir?
That would make it about a .22 cal, correct?

Hey, what's one digit among friends? 5.7mm comes in right at .224 caliber, but is supposed to have quite a bit of penetrating power (since it comes out of the muzzle at 2346 ft/sec or 715 m/sec, that makes sense - not sure about stopping power though :!: ).

How many grains of powder does it have? It's not a magnum, is it?
edit: never mind, with that muzzle velocity it would pretty much need a hot load.
Doesn't it have a 50 round internal magazine?


A .357 submachinegun sure wouldn't have any problems with stopping power.

Answer: Yes, it has a 50 round detachable box magazine, which is translucent so you can check to see how much you have left (presuming you have enough light to see by of course).

A submachine gun firing a .357 magnum cartridge would definitely have loads of stopping power, but would have feed problems galore due to the rimmed round (this thing was developed for a revolver and only the Desert Eagle pistols have been a success with that cartridge). Your other problem, which is why FN went to a small high velocity cartridge, is that firing it accurately, round after round, requires a lot of training and practice as the tendency is to climb off of the target due to the amazing amount of recoil. That's one reason the the Brits dropped the .455 round after WWI and went to the .38 round (which turned out to be a bit of a dog, but that is another story).

The Thompson was pretty good with that though due to it's weight, correct?

The Thompson (in any flavor) was a very good submachine gun, although a bit heavy (M1928 - 10 lbs 12 oz/4.88 kg, M1/M1A1 - 10 lbs 9 oz/4.82 kg both weights unloaded). Of course, if you are firing a .45 cal round, you need some extra weight sometimes as you pointed out. However, I think the real success of the Thompson was its durability and reliability as a weapon and not its weight relative to full auto firing.

What really works when firing full auto is being able to keep the rounds on target. For that you need stability, either thru a mount (bipod. tripod, etc.), which really applies to machine guns and not submachine guns - or using short, controlled bursts. I have fired the M3A1 submachine gun, which is lighter than the Thompson at 8 lbs 3 oz/3.71 kg, and had very good success with my shot groups by using short bursts (3-4 rounds).

Firing any submachine gun, or automatic rifle, on full auto is going to waste a lot of ammo, as you can't keep the weapon on target. There are supposed to be some electronic compensators on the market that act to slow the cyclic rate of fire to a controllable level for full auto, but I have never been able to see one in operation.